So it was about a couple of weeks ago, and I was at a book store skimming through the table of contents of “The Economist” until one title caught my eye, “Marriage in America: The frayed knot.” Usually, this is a kind of title that one would least expect to be on ‘The Economist.’ And thus, I got curious and jumped right to the article.
Overall, the article is not intended to give you a recipe for a happy marriage nor does it offer any suggestions as to where you can find your ideal match.
Nonetheless, the author did a good job of discussing how the widening marriage gap is breeding inequality in this society. However, it’s just this one paragraph that hit me in the head and knocked the breath right out of me, and led me to write this. It reveals a research finding that most people will find very surprising and that I thought was worth sharing.
Test the water!
I’m sure a lot of people will agree with me on the idea of ‘living together with a boy/girlfriend first before getting married.’ You want to see if you still love her after you cooked meals together, cleaned the apartment together and slept together. Ideally, you want to see what married life would be like without the “commitment” attached to it. It’s basically a test to see if the couple is compatible to each other.
If you slip-up you’re out the door!”
However, contrary to conventional wisdom, research suggests that those who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce.
Two-thirds of American children born to co-habiting parents who later marry will see their parents split up by the time they are ten.”
Hmm…that’s a 67% failure rate right there. There hardly is a single explanation for this, but many researchers agree that whether it’s a prelude to marriage or that it’s more fun; if you live together before marriage, you will be fighting an uphill battle to save your marriage.
Published by June 22nd, 2007 in Current Issues, Dating and Thoughts.
Ene Enja but I was under the impression that knowing your partner helps the marriage.. on the other hand,too much testing of the waters is a recipe for disasters…
So marriage needs a little bit of faith and commitment. just jump in and trust the water is not too cold or hot… it might be but with some commitment you should be able to handle it….
but then again I suppose Elizabeth taylor did forsee that her 7 of her marriages were temporary now did she…
I have been bernos’ reader for over a year now. Today, after reading this post and not seeing any comments I decided to post my two cents on this topic.
I am not married or live with a boyfriend but I like the idea of living together first before tying the knots. Living together is totally different for conventional dating. As you mentioned, you get to share responsibilities around the house and you get to know each other more in a personal level.
Honestly I am not convinced of “…research suggests that those who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce.”
Well…guess I’m not the first to comment.
no problem abyssinia, excellent job on popping your cherry!
Thanks…Nol
So mamma was right, playing house doesn’t lead to a successful marriage. But then again the success rate of marriage nowadays is not that great. So the question is, is it better to go at it blind or taste out the waters before you dive in? For me, I will go with what feels right when and if the situation arises.
I am happily married and we didn’t live together before we got married. I believe the keys for successful marriage are, communication, respect, and understanding of each other. This should apply whether lived together or not. If you don’t have these qualities in your relationships or marriage, divorce is just around the corner.
From a guy’s perspective… why buy the cow when you can drink the milk for free?
If a woman is willing to cohabit, then keep cohabiting and dont get married. what are marriages for anyway?
Input I found these answers on An American Values.org in expalanation of what marrages are for as opposed to cohabitations.
1.Adults who live together but do not marry?cohabitors?are more similar to singles than to married couples in terms of physical health and disability, emotional well-being and mental health, as well as assets and earnings. Their children more closely resemble the children of single people than the children of married people.
2.Marriage appears to reduce the risk that children and adults will be either perpetrators or victims of crime. Single and divorced women are four to five times more likely to be victims of violent crime in any given year than married women. Boys raised in single-parent homes are about twice as likely (and boys raised in stepfamilies three times as likely) to have committed a crime that leads to incarceration by the time they reach their early thirties, even after controlling for factors such as race, mother’s education, neighborhood quality and cognitive ability.
And from a guys perspective I found these two reasons.
1. Married men earn between 10 and 40 percent more than single men with similar education and job histories.
Married people, especially married men, have longer life expectancies than otherwise similar singles.
2. Marriage increases the likelihood fathers will have good relationships with children. Sixty-five percent of young adults whose parents divorced had poor relationships with their fathers (compared to 29% from non-divorced families).
Marriage is just then to raise a somewhat well functioning child. In that case then if no kids involved cohabitation it is.
Living together lets the two parties know each other better. On other hand; there is certain a level of commitment and makes it much easier to dive into marriage, sometimes even when there are obvious red flags. There is also guilty feeling that you have known this person for a while and why not go ahead and tie the knots especially if there is pressure from one of the parties. I do not think living together makes it worse or better; if there is no good communication and compatibility the marriage is domed to fall; most of the time the warning signs are there; just overlooked to make the relationship work.
I believe that it is a good idea to live with your partner before marriage if that’s the road you’re heading toward and not because of the convenience of living together. There are so many things you can only know or learn about your partner unless you live together. Living together before marriage gives you the opportunity to experience and learn about the others positive and negatives habits or how well you can make compromises in everyday issues.
I always hear that the first year of marriage is actually the hardest. So living together before marriage does make sense. But the one think I don’t like with people dating and living together is that they have the tendency of cutting off the rest of the world and that cant be healthy for a relationship if you want it to last. I think a person’s independence is as important when living together. I have friends who sit at home together constantly and spend every waking moment together with no interaction with friends and family and the only time you hear from them is when things are not ok between them.
So my two cent is that…
I don’t believe that living with someone creates a strong love but rather that a strong love gives you the ability to live together. To each his own!
I strongly disagree living together before marriage….when you have partial commitment (like bed_ford calls it), you still have stuff you decide alone. Partial commitment for me is just having a roommate with other benefits….
You need to start your marriage with “One-ness” in mind. You have to give it 100% commitment not partial. I believe being ONE is the framework for a successfully marriage. This is just my personal opinion.
This is for input. You said
” why get the cow when you can drink the milk for free”
Who said MILK is free?? Have you heard that the price of milk is up?
The divorce rate is high in America because women can walk out of unhappy relations without hear of economic issues. If we had child support as American women do they we would have had chances for divorce. Sadly we are prisioners of marriage. Ethiopia may have low divorce rate. It doesn’t mean people in Ethiopia have happy marriage.
In fact more than 95% is unhappy. I applaud the high divorce rate of America. If we Ethiopians had that chance our divorce rate would have been 95%.
I’m totally against living together before tying the knot. I say either live separately or get married. I think it’s silly to do one before the other. After all love and relationship is not like dining out where you order the appetizer and if you’re not happy you skip the main course. Come on people get real!
I mean think about it…what’s the point? So you live together and you discover each other’s good, bad, and ugly habits in the morning, noon, and night (you didn’t see while dating) then you get married. But isn’t the purpose of marriage to do that….get to know each other even better?
I sure as hell don’t wanna get into a marriage where I know so much he bores the hell out of me or I bore the hell out of him. I want to discover a few things along the way get surprised for a minute when he did this or didn’t do that.
I say you only need clear and open communication, respect, and personal space every now and again and that to me is a perfect relationship…god romance/sex is stemmed from that. Respect each other. Don’t say stupid things just because he/she said “I do” and you feel you own your spouse. Don’t let family get in between you or your business. Always have each other’s back! Have your date nights, romance each other. Be silly, laugh, cry, and scream together that’s what makes a relationship wonderful…being able to be yourself and to be loved for being yourself and loving the person who lets you be yourself while you return the favor. If you can’t have this while exclusively dating then living together ain’t gonna bring you into the light.
So I say out with living together before marriage!
I am also against living together before marriage. Sure, it’s great to live together and have fun and all the sex you want, but if you want strong marriage, do it right.
DawitK, you said that you heard that the first year of marriage is the hardest. If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make it easier to call it quits if you are not married. On the otherhand if you are married, you will work harder to make it work.
And on a side note, expect to have your parents disappointed. Supportive maybe, but disappointed nonetheless.
In the end, unless there is genuine love and commitment, everything else is academics.
This is typical junk science of our times. For example if you don’t live together prior to marriage you are likely to come from a conservative family…and you are likely to have values that discourage divorce…
ppl ppl lets get over the mindless drivel that is published in magazines so that suckers sit in coffee shops pontificating about crap…
You know what, I’ve never thought about the negative side of cohabitation. It is true that one of the two person can call it quit and could be all over for both party. The chances of working to fix each other’s mistake are minimum compare to married couple as there is no commitment attached to COH.
Therefore, I say no cohabitation…
Thanks guys for opening the other side of the door!
As important as knowing your partner is …I think the problem is not necessarily cos they lived together prior to marriage but rather, cos they know there is a window of opportunity to just walk away and call it a bad dream while they’re cohabiting but when married, divorces are more elaborate and waaaay more than just a relationship gone wrong. So they work at it and weigh all sides before divorcing…
Here is what I believe…
In the hierarchy of a loving and lasting relationship, gaining the title of “married” is the very last thing you need to worry about in the construction of a healthy, happy, tolerant, weather-standing (from rainy to stormy) and lasting relationship. Symbolically speaking, marriage is the tara (the roof above) and every ingredient of a functional/healthy relationship is the meseret (base). I know not of a house built with out a base let alone seen one standing. So marriage in this sense is the garnish, the final touch to an already well-put together construction. It doesn’t mean there aren’t any existing or potential future problems (leakage, electrical glitch, plumbing, molding etc) with your building, it just means that you have laid out the foundation well enough and have put in action plans of emergencies/hardships that the construction can weather the storm and live long enough to talk about it.
Now the question at hand is, how significant of a role does living together prior to matrimony plays a role in the success rate of marriage.
Living together is mostly about proximity, i.e. it affords you the convenience of witnessing each other’s bahriy, amel, akuwahuwan, dirgit, wezeterfe on a daily basis. It puts you under a microscopic filed which you would not have been otherwise. The situation in itself doesn’t come with a pre-package of love, respect, care, support and tolerance, which are ingredients REQUIRED for a happy, healthy relationship and/or marriage. So well before you even want to ‘live together’ with the chosen person, you need to have most of the aforementioned ingredients under your belly along with the ‘right’ intention. Often than not people who reach a point of wanting to live together have already reached a certain level of understanding of their compatibility so its not like being under the same roof is the primary method of such discovery. The arrangement is more so an attempt to find out, thereby, to gain some sort of reassurance of longevity when proximity bears repetition & routine becomes a familiar part of a relationship.
Having said that, if you are deciding to live together before marriage with nothing more than the intention of nit picking each other’s flaws and see if you can stomach it long after the ‘I do’s, then this ‘preliminary experiment’ is dead on arrival. Perhaps the reason for the statistics in the research (provided the result is valid) is that many got into the arrangement lacking the basic ingredients & with misguided notion. That the things they didn’t like living together, they think could be fixed or get better by marriage… only to find out that they have been oh so very wrong. This by the way is a very common mistake many men/women (mostly) make in a relationship…as if the title “married” is a magic wand they think it can fix everything so they get into the institution of marriage with a misguided intention. On the flip side…
If you are choosing to live together with all the ingredients at hand and with the meaningful purpose and relentless purist of working the ‘kinks’ out of the workable ones and gaining tolerance and compromise for those you can’t change…only and only then the living together thing can rip a fruit worth taking a bite from. The oneness web you are trying to weave would become much more refined and intricate enough not to be easily unraveled with trivial things of the world. Then you can garnish it/drape it/crown it or whatever with the ‘holy matrimony’ to further solidify your claim of oneness… or let that be as it is should your principle be otherwise “unconventional” (‘to each his/her own).
BTW when there is atent sebari, lebe berbari, kinCHerat QorQuwari, nala azuwari, menfes adenagri Fikir Kale…you know the kind, the kind that you are so mad at him/her that you want to shake her/him till a significant amount of front tirs can fall out, he/she hurt you so bad that you are bawling your eyes out (mascara dribbling, nose sniffling, snot mentebatebing minamin), he/she annoy/irritate you so much that it makes you wonder what you saw in him/her to begin with…Yet in spite of it all…despite the turmoil… somewhere deep down in your essence, that undeniable feeling which no tangible rationale can explain, creeps up and you find yourself helping him/her pick up the tirs you just got done shaking off…you find yourself in his/her embrace, wiping your tears and remembering why you loved him/her so to begin with and why you still do. You know that kind of love? See I believe that when there is that kind of love as a foundation and part of the main ingredients then it makes you that much more tolerant of the differences that exists between you so it won’t be as easy to part because of it. I have learned that love requires a great deal of tolerance…I have yet to master it, but it sure is my master. Perhaps that is why we view love of our parents to be “unconditional” because they are for the most part tolerant of us and they love us and take us with all our shortcomings. I think that is what is greatly lacking in relationships…that we are intolerant of one another. We so badly want to fix, we seek/demand for things we ourselves are not providing and we are completely oblivious to that, we just walk around thinking ‘by God I am entitled and I refuse to settle for less’…yet we are oblivious to the fact the same rights and privileges are afforded to the opposing party. Ere minu ketu…
Tell you this, this is not just bunch of hot air or an ‘ideal’ utopia of relationship… I have tried to apply my own assertion in my relationship, i.e. ask not of things I my self can not provide, not to have double standards, to be tolerant of our differences, wezeterfe… ewenet ewenet elachualehu I can’t say I have always succeeded, in fact I have been Bekete Zeche malet & afer deme megating far more times than I care to recount, but I sure as hell try to put my best foot forward each time. Hey it is not about achieving excellence at all times, it is about the process, the continuous evolution and I am content with that. I love him FESE QUQ ESKETEL
& oh he loves me so…and that my folks is all you can ask for, the rest do follow suit.
I sincerely thank you for your tolerance of my gibberish:-)
WoWWWWWW is all i can say YekeyDama…your “gibberish” as you call it, i believe, encapsulates every aspect of what makes or breaks a committed r/ship be it under the same roof or different ones.
Yekeydama, if that (#22)is what you call “gibbirish,” I would love to read what isn’t. Well siad sista.
SanQ, SanQ:-) I stand behind everything said in #22, i was just worried it was rather a long read to stomach, hence the ‘gibbirish’:-)
Wow YekwyDama–great read…i completely agree with you. i also do agree with Celeb in not living together before marriage. i feel if im able to live you then im prepared to marry you. so having examined the pros and cons of my significant other and not only vowing to be tolerant but rather having done so thus far in the relationship, id have no reason but to take the extra leap of faith and jump…
this of course is an ideal situation. frankly i dont believe ill ever marry for the simple fact that my generation’s idea of marriage is “something that you can opt out of whenever you change your mind.” ive come to accept the days of my parents and grandparent…the 40 years marriages, no longer exist. furthermore, one must also acknowledge marriage is a two person commitment. so in spite of my convictions nor my determination to make the marriage work, it might fail simply because ill fighting alone…
it seems its a greater task than i am able attain…to find one with the same moral standard, goal/ambition, faith, love and above all trust…
how depressing no?
Everything revolves around money. We live in a soceity obssessed with money. Cohabitation is not for love but for saving bills. And free sex. Simple as that. MArriage is way to expensive to afford. Most abehas are too ashamed to have a wedding very smalls. Cohabitation is not trying the waters as westerns say it. We don’t try waters we want to have help paying bills. I understand maybe amerians might try to test the waters no not us. We are not lets face that fact.
Well, I think this is going to be a tough call! I’m not an expert on this but my take is, so long as you decide to ‘live-in’ with the ‘right intention in mind’ I think it should be okay. Another interpretation could be, dating couples might actually rush to live-in together due to financial motive. The idea to move in together might simply be appealing, because it’s cheaper than living separately. However, if one sees it as a way to save on rent and the other sees this as an engagement of sorts, then you’re going to be headed for trouble.
On another note, couples might also prefer to move in together just because there is no explicit commitment attached to it. But then again, if you don’t have the right intention for doing so, then it’s unlikely that you will have any tolerance for slip-ups as well. However, slip-ups won’t easily end marriage. As it will take a lot of work to stay committed, satisfied and interested in another person for a long time, I think it will also take a lot just to walk away from a committed relationship/marriage.
So at the end I’d say, even if you do it, don’t do it to save on rent
The reasonings against “living together before marriage” mentioned above are also very compelling…..
BTW, YKD well said! Let me guess, hmm… A Relationship Therapist?
That will make a good 101.
Interesting find:-
Cohabitation – What the Law Says…
There is a common misconception that if you live together for a certain length of time, you are married common-law. This is not true in most places. Common law marriages are recognized in the District of Columbia and only 14 states: Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah.
If you live in one of these states and you “hold yourself out to be married” (by telling the community you are married, calling each other husband and wife, using the same last name, filing joint income tax returns, etc.), you can have a common law marriage. If you choose to end your relationship, you must get a divorce, even though you never had a wedding. If you live in these states and don’t want your relationship to become a common law marriage, you must be clear that it is your intention not to marry.
If you live in a state without common law marriage, it is not an issue for you. There is one catch: if you live in a state that does recognize common law marriage, hold yourself out as married, and then return or move to a state that doesn’t recognize it, you are still married (since states all recognize marriages that occurred in other states). Please note: If you are concerned about the specifics of common law marriage, research the laws of your state.
Whew Really, thanks for the 411 that should change the idea of living together for some folk residing in the states listed above.
So there’s no option to skip town thinking you’ve just finished playing house with a pretend wife/husband without a lawyer or two. That’s a wake up call! I guess he/she can file a petition for alimony? This is really interesting.
I wonder if this type of marriage would stand in an immigration case. I mean how would you submit the proof of marriage as part of the petition for residency since it’s considered legal? Don’t they ask for wedding photo’s and a state issued marriage license?
Also let’s say one partner doesn’t wanna marry and the other does. Let’s also say they lived like a married couple and are known around town as a married couple but filed separate tax returns and used separate last names. Isn’t that a way for one partner to trap the other into marriage? This is gonna be ugly.
YekeyDama – Well put argument, but YekeyDama all that mabojambo can be done without being living together. If you stay long enough with that person, you should find all the major cons and decide if you can stand it…if not bounce.I mean do not waste his/her time.
Meron wrote: “i feel if im able to live you then im prepared to marry you. so having examined the pros and cons of my significant other and not only vowing to be tolerant but rather having done so thus far in the relationship, id have no reason but to take the extra leap of faith and jump…”
I can see that you are open for both theories….. What I am trying to say is start the marriage without a doubt, with Oness in mind, and giving it 100%. I know people who are practicing living without marrying will have a hard time to understand my point..there is no point dragging each other through a taste phase. If you love him/her and are able to tolerate each other, just go for the permanent status and give it your best shot ….
sebleye: I agree with you to a certain degree…however, the roommate style living is not healthy for the quick fix of financial trouble. Avoid it if you can …
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Just for what it is worth, the article doesn’t say that 2/3 of cohabitors that marry get divorced. It says 2/3rds that had children while co-habiting and later got married get divorced. It is entirely plausible that the increase (from 50% of all marriages goiing bust to 67% in this group of people) might be due to people getting married because they have children rather than because they wanted to get married in the first place.
temari, well the 2/3 stat represents the likelihood that children who are born to co-habiting parents who marry later will see them split up before they turn 10. The author didn’t state nor did anyone mention that‘2 /3 of cohabiters that marry will divorce’. imo, the author put out that stat just to support his assertion that “those who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce”. The failure rate is even high just for that group. But then again, there is no single reasoning that explains why the divorce rate is high for this cohort. Like you said, it could be because they have children before marriage, but we don’t know that for sure.
Bottom line is, once you start living together it becomes harder to split up, and you might end up getting married to someone that you otherwise wouldn’t if you had not been living together.
Ted, you are right. The reason I pointed the distinction out was because the discussion after the post was geared toward whether living together before marriage was a recepie for disaster. I wasn’t saying that you or the author were wrong.
You’re right, temari….the discussion kinda shifted gear…
Peace!
This is the crux.
Though traditionalism and cultural mores may disagree, I believe in this day and time it is important to know as much about your partner, and as soon as possible.
However, nowadays the purpose of “shacking-up” takes on a dual purpose, that being, economical stability (in more cases than not) and of course the whole nurture/relationship aspect.
I believe cohabitation is healthy in some respects where two people have invoked the spirit of committment, if not the letter of committment.
Don’t live together before you’re both say I do. Living together is short changing yourselves on purpose. Marriage has it’s ups and downs.
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