Thursday nights. Same time, same place. I have deserted friends, re-arranged schedules, worked around deadlines, cancelled plans, missed open bar and $3 a pitcher beer nights (this is huge man! everyone who knows me knows my life is all about cheap drinks).
Skipped a very close friend’s happy hour engagement party, lied to a childhood friend about being out of town, forsaken a boyfriend, etc, etc, just to spend two hours in his presence. Every Thursday night for the last year, I have been putting my life on hold to spend time with him. For a year, I have, religiously, showed up at his place for two miserly hours of total surrender.
Week after week, I have rushed to his place, anticipating the comfort of his couch, while his seductive “how does that make you feel’s?” take me on a journey so profound, so intimate, so orgasmic I am often reduced to tears. Month after month, I have let him gently guide me to his couch. I have watched him tolerate my stream of consciousness and untangle me from my unintelligible fears and doubts.
Every Thursday for an hour I have kept my eyes on his face looking for an expression of moral judgment or rancor that never comes. He has never tried to define our relationship, has never questioned my motives and has never made assumptions. What he needs to know about me-he asks, when I fail to answer he kindly persists. He has put his hand on mine, almost guiding me but letting me find my own way. And voila! Right on his couch, I have come to find myself.
I have found who I used to be, who I have become and who I want to be. His desire to know me has reacquainted me with –me. It has been a perfect year of wonderful Thursdays, a wonderful year of flawless two hour sessions. I think we could have had continued in perfect bliss for years to come. I know I could have had his undivided attention and his couch for two hours for a decade.
Alas, all good things come to an end and so did my little perfect Thursday rendezvous. No, it was not the fear of getting caught by one of my friends nor my natural tendency to sabotage all good things that happen in my life that put an end to it. It did not fizzle because I got tired of being fixed or he of fixing me. We did not grow apart and none of us had to leave.
Rather, it ended because in a moment of clarity which doesn’t happen so often, I realized that I had to stop seeing him. For once in my life, I had the good sense to break off what felt like the perfect relationship. A relationship I had invested so much on I should have stayed just for the sake of familiarity and on account of time spent.
The moment of clarity came to me last Thursday, on my way to his place. Suddenly I realized how comfortable I was getting on his couch. I realized that I had, in a year, spent 5760 minutes laying on his couch instead of standing on my own two feet. I was slapped with the knowledge that in a year I had depended so much on him to fix me I have almost completely lost the capacity to put the broken pieces back together myself.
If I did not stop seeing him now, I knew it will take another five, six or even ten years to say goodbye to his voice, to his help, to his uncanny ability to know the root of my problems and, of course, to his couch. And so, last Thursday, instead of going to see my therapist for the 56 session, I spent the night firmly rooted on the ground. Last Thursday, I said no to therapy and yes to not trying to put all the broken pieces together and making cuts that will need years to heal.
Now, the question remains: what does one do with two hours every Thursday night that suddenly became wide open?
Published by April 7th, 2008 in Dating and Personal.
Do therapists really make you lay on the couch? I thought that only happened on Frasier.
Nice piece,
Nothing like Thursday night orgasmicly therapeutic sessions.
Very nice read, well written.
If you had the strength to say no to therapy, then believe in the power of YOUR mind to heal you.
“what does one do with two hours every Thursday night that suddenly became wide open?”
I’d say…. meditate and/or pray.
watch CSI on CBS
nice piece!
Nice post.
Nice article, you write well,..things to do on Thursday:, join a writer’s corner, dance class or learn to play a musical instrument, creative self expression is good theraphy too of a different kind, and you will be your own therapist and client rolled in one:)…Good luck
How about replace it with Ethiopian style psychotherapy, AKA socializing .Have a girls night out with your girlfriends ,If you are a man ,same thing hang out with your boys .thank you for sharing.
Feels like you wanted to or considered making love (sex) to the therapist.
Till almost the end, I thought you were writing about a sexual fleeing.
“what does one do with two hours every Thursday night that suddenly became wide open?” Buy similar couch for your own :=( Interesting read,though. Is the shrink culture is “stupid”? Just a thought.
wow.
you took us on a beautiful ride that ended so abruptly like your relationship
i felt like i was living vicariously through your piece for about .45 secs
thursday nights should be dedicated to finding yourself and re-arranging your broken pieces; be it through music, through dinner with friends or just by yourself!
thursday night—old movies night!!!
best nights ever!
good for you bemegerem…you know you’ve grown from this relationship. i used to see a therapist once. she was really helpful. i know its a taboo in our culture but i found her very useful. sometimes you need to talk to someone that has no connections to you what so ever! there is a comfort in that…you can let all your guards down and be who truly are.
I didn’t know pyschotherapy happens at night. I thought they do it during day time. However, good for you seeing the light bulb. What about voluntary work during that free time.
hahhaha….and I was thinking “why just two hrs?…does he have to go to work after the two hrs?…..why always the couch?….indieee, is he a boy friend or does she get paid to do it?”…..and there! a therapist!
now I’ll have to get my mind out of the gutter before suggesting things for ur Thursday nights.
Pray, read, work out, think of ways to make up for missing ur close friend’s engagement party….and thank God that u saved even the $3.00 u’d have spent on those drinks
beautifully written!!
thanks for sharing.
bemegerem i read your article betam bemegerem.an article that moves at breakneck speed!
I bow my head to thee!!!!
one of these days i really also need a female therapist that could handle me for about 5760 minutes of orgasmicly therapeutic sessions.
Blessed are those who can say NO to unsolicited “THERAPY”
I think this is what I myself lack. But my therapist is way too different from bemegerem’s one. It is “BERCHA” (chat).every Saturday afternoon same time same place……..
For some, saying NO may seem the easiest thing in the world. But as for me to say NO to HABITS that have been done for years, with out fail, needs a hell of a courage.
Those of u who can easily say NO please tell us how.
Beautifully written piece…
Bemegerem, for a moment I thought you were having an affair with a married man for two hrs every Thursday! Anyway, great article, in-depth, and well written.
So it is true, therapists keep you on their couch with no end on sight while accumulating billable hours fully aware the patient won’t go nowhere cause he/she is falling in love. Like that girl one keeps as a friend thinking one day she is gonna put out, just need to see her one more time. Congrat for ending that relationship. All who keep a relationship thinking he/she gonna put out should end it now…
For that reason, I can’t see a therapist. My compulsive behavior may keep me on that couch for years and years
Well, first I thought it was a booty call – for two hours, every Thursday…kinda makes sense (but someone has gotta be cheating or dude works 80+hrs/week for this scenario to hold true). But FOR ONE YEAR? – na. Those type of arrangements usually last 3 to 6 months at the most. So, it’s a therapy…huh
Nice read, tho
EndE you guys are confused. He was her boyfriend not her therapist eko. Although the relationship was therapeutic.
lol Meski … i am not so sure about that. but I think she is having the therapy and getting it too
hahaaaa nothing wrong having her mojo during therapy sessions. nicely written.
lol….therapeutic boyfriend…once a week….I pictured the guy’s business card:
Dr. Andrew jackson
Therapeutic boyfriend
Weekly sessions
i say you do what we clearly assumed with your free time now..
Anyone know why Tony Soprano sees a therapist? A gangsta has no need for one unless they are ready to quite ordering and murdering
[quote comment="141172"]i say you do what we clearly assumed with your free time now..[/quote]
With whom??
Bemegerem’, you flow! Now I need a shrink…
Hi Grandma
My feeling about therapy is if there is or was trauma suffered, if there are mental health issues or addictions issues by all means if a shrink can help by all means let people seek help for it, for the rest for me personally there are few other things that can alleviate melancholy..sports and exercise is a really good substitute and so is any creative pursuit of one’s choosing, until you get addicted to it and need the shrink services lol, which is where I am now lol….
I found this quote about neuroses what do you think of it Grandma?…if what doesnt kill you, makes you a mess is that any good?:) apart from the bit not being dead?…
Grum tsihuf!
Hi Hidaya,
I’m not dismissing it totally, i’m a little concerned. I’m sure many people take advantages of it with a good legitimate reasons. More power to people who enjoy visiting. My concerns are that we’re charcterizing everything as a disease. What we used to think as normal, human experiances, such as being shy, sad, emotion, even chewing “Chat” (WurgatuLij may like this)have become illness these days. You won’t believe how many school kids out there seeing a therapist just because their childish tempermanet, silly behaviours. You know what I like when they says “my therapy asks expensive questions what my wife asks for nothing”. I’m sure for many out there this could be just the case.
In all fairness, Bemegerem should get refunds :=) In my opinion, she has not gained anything from her visit. The end results of her theraphy visits left her with another form of addiction, sadness, withdrawl, curiosity. Basically, her problems are getting recycled. I guess, this’s the one profession will never, ever go out of business in a certain part of the world.
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[quote comment="141023"]Feels like you wanted to or considered making love (sex) to the therapist.
Till almost the end, I thought you were writing about a sexual fleeing.[/quote]
Anon me too :0, gosh now i gotta get my mind out of the gutter…
on another note, has anyone noticed how suddenly everybody and their mama has attention deficit disorder? Its sad that we have already taken as absolute truth the various theories/prevalent opinions on mental health and what is normal. Whats even more awkward is hearing people tell me they are on this prescribed medication, and I have to pretend to sympathise with something I don’t think is a genuine medical problem in 90% of the cases. Not to go on a rant, but I also think the drug companies want perpetual diseases to perpetually medicate. Hence the diet pills
, and viagra. 
OK so I went on a rant, but I can’t say this to acquaintances so I gotta say it somewhere. This is why I always hold fast to our ‘ignorant’, native senses, and peer at western ideas and fads with suspicion. Bizu suspicion buahahahahaah….
[quote comment="141160"]lol Meski … i am not so sure about that. but I think she is having the therapy and getting it too
hahaaaa nothing wrong having her mojo during therapy sessions. nicely written.[/quote]
that’s what i kinda thought, too.
i still am not sure who’s who… help, pls.
nice post, btw.
http://www.ABESHA.WORDPRESS.com
lol. Funny and almost unreal. Sounds like a fantasy. Enjoyed it. I got an idea for what you can do on Thursday nights.
Right about how much you miss those two hours, lol.
More people need formal therapy these days cause the social fabric that use to be there for people, wherein they had friends and families to discuss their issues with is no longer there. Therefore, people need to pay for this service now. Just like how we eat out as opposed to cooking, have professional ppl to do our laundary instead of doing our own laundary, etc . . . i kinda see it as an extension of that. Call it “outsourcing” in the 21st century in the broadest sense of the word. By the way, anyone see the new HBO series called “In Treatment”? talk about a show entierly about Therapy. its very interesting. THere was one line when a certain character told the therapist “what you do is like prostitution . . . you get paid for 1 hour of intimacy with people you don’t really know and love”. any thoughts?
Hi The Debater…
Interesting thought therapy being like any other service. I dont know about frivolous therapy but serious therapy is about mental health. The range of mental health problems that exist are of course not all of the same importance and they all require different types of therapy.
Has therapy replaced the support system that people had with traditional family and friends you asked it could be the other way rond too; of people being psychologically affected because of that support system not being there and consequently needing therapy to overcome whatever anxiety or mental un-welness they develop as a result of it.
Uhmm, so does the medical doctor who knows one’s body intimatetly and have pictures of your internal organs in their computers and from time to time see their patient with no clothes on and their defences down, or the lawyer or the accountant or the teacher…they all know about things that are private and intimate about our lives, bodies, finances and educational capability but apart from the therapist and the lawyer no one would think of a medical doctor or a teacher doing their job as gettin paid for an hour of intimacy would they?.
I think we are just unconfortable with anythin to do with mental health, that said though therapy is trivialised in many respect over the years and far too many people seem to need it when for social reasons instead of mental health…
Hidaya and Debater–I don’t have a strong opinion on therapy, but I am more inclined to go with Debater on this-we all need therapy for the reason already mentioned and because life as we know it is complex and getting more complex. Many things we do, we are not meant to do, we did not evolve to pull 9-5 for instance
and many of us are either uprooted or children of uprooted parents. I personally wish I had a therapist when I was in high school that could help me understand my experience and help me cope with my situation–Nevermind, I refused help from an astute teacher who noticed my warped character. If you smoke, chew chat, smoke pot, abuse alcohol, yea, may be you do need to see a therapist to understand what underlie your reckless behavior and learn to manage it–I fall in one of these pockets, btw… not pot… in the past. Reading is the only therapy I have. My friends can’t even seat for 5 minutes without either judging, providing slogan, or talking about themselves.
Hi Anon…
I have no objections to therapy. I think emotional well being is as important as physical health, if therapy helps people get well, find themselves or overcome any kind of trauma or addiction that is hampering their lives then I am all for it. That wasn’t my objection….
What I was questioning was the perception or rather a line form the show The Debater mentioned where a line is spoken where the therapist is described as someone getting paid for an hour of intimacy. Would that be said of the medical doctor? is what I was asking..
Doctors see our bodies and we tell them intimate things about our health, with surgeons the intimacy is even greater…they sedate you and make you take your clothes off when they need to cut you up in order to make you better…so what I was saying was that all of that with the body exposed to doctors and the vulnerability that comes with it is not any less intimate than what therapist do, only they use the mind and hopefully wont cut you up:)..but a medical doctor is revered, whereas the therapist who does the same thing with the mind and mental health is seen as getting paid for intimacy for people they neither know or love. What’s love got to do with it? To them it is work and it should be about work and helping people in their professional capacity.
Aye that is true, I remember being very cross at being uprooted from everything familiar and not being consulted about it, did I need a therapist at the time?..Dunno, what I do remember is having an incessant internal dialogue in my head and it wasn’t much of a dialogue just lots of why’s and each why would lead to another with no good enough answer and I remember thinking this is unpleasant, and decided not to think anymore , that didnt work either:)..on second thought a therapist might have helped I think
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I agree all reckless behaviour has an underlying issue and therapy helps untangle the root of it and teach people how to cope with it….I like reading too but use dancing or other physical thing for therapy, it really does remove the cobwebs from one’s consciousness:)
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it was quite a ride , well written even if it circles fantasy rather than da real one, back 2 my point … i think ur not the only one surfing in this kind of dilemma , most of u does. its not being dependent being with him for 2 hrs a week. you were exercising what eva the real of you want.
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hidaya,
you should write more, very insightful comment.
Thank you datdude, that is kind
not sure that I am all that insightful sometimes I feel I cant even get beyond the ghosts of Christmas past…., I now have visions of happ nuns singing and dancing btw, the ones I have met had an air of sadness about them or maybe that is how I saw them and they were infact happy, dunno….
Betam konjo,, writing. for the question – Excercise, do some volunteering.. there is a hotline # if you wanna help people in need,, that when they call you would answer and reply appropriately ( needs some training though). Other than that,, if you have some spiritual interest go to the website of your church,, listen to preaches,, and songs. If you are not into churchy,,, thing… read some books.. Above all,, Excercise is the best,, for mind and body strength… then the rest follow………
hidaya, betam welcome.
I think what makes life interesting and somewhat sad is all the unresolved issues we have to leave behind or live with. Sometimes its good to only give passing attention to the things that we can’t ‘resolve’ and find some joy in conquering those we can or at least hope to. I’m sure that is what the dancing and singing nuns would recommend
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Datdude who is being insightful now:)quick patent that before someone nicks it ,probably me lol,.. the recipe for happiness; finding joy in the things that we can conquer or at least hope to do so which hopefully will make us happy yeah it should be that easy shouldnt it?, as for the unresolved I think it depends on what one makes of it, if they can resolved do so and if they cant well with sadness comes growth doesnt it? or at least it should and what is sad today might feel bittersweet as time goes by and heal all wounds or patch them up at the very least…
One thing I noticed about the nuns I met beside their general air of melancholy was their sense of conviction that this life they have chosen is absolutetly the one they wanted to live with all the sacrifices it demands of them, when I was little and I was taught by them I used to wonder if they missed having a family or someone to love who wasnt divine? and where they lonely I still wonder aout it when I see a nun now but I cant ask coz they might think it is a it rude and of all the people to be rude to I dont wanna be rude to nuns so I will kepp wondering…lol…
hidaya “insightful one”,
I envy what you observed about nuns, that conviction that the life they live is the one they absolutely want. Although if they are human, doubts are surely sprinkled in there. When plagued with indecision about important things, it would be great to have such a conviction/guide.
The impression I get of people dedicated to religious life is that they do so not only because of love for the divine, but also love for humanity. Although I can’t explain their melancholy, except maybe it was a momentary thing you noticed. Then again theres something sad about life, maybe its because its always passing by, the sense of is this all there is, even a feeling of smallness, or loneliness in a gigantic universe. The search for meaning, what is good, etc. is for me a depressing endeavor. I dunno, but holden caulfield comes to mind suddenly.lol
Lol Datdude me insightful, you insightful, you could keep this up forever couldn’t we?:)
Yes if one is renouncing most of what earthly life has to offer they better have doubts before they take the plunge..what a plunge to take eh? renounce this, renounce that ,vow of obedience, be poor have no ambition, and on and on it goes, yet it appeals to some, I would have liked to have a calling or vocation for something…not politics or God though, both ask too much and give way too little back in my view,never reply to your questions directly and some wont even show themselves to facilitate belief and faith…
I can only guess, but they haven’t exactly signed up for a laugh a minute life have they in life nuns and priests? Everything in their lives is serious and grave maybe that is what I noticed not sadness, mind you I also saw very serene nuns and priests too…
Datdude a fan of JD Salinger?:), me too, though it is a while since I read Catcher in the Rye there are authors I never outgrow, Edgar Allen Poe is another…
If you see him every thursday and every week then its not a reltionship its a fling hes using you you as much as you think youre using him, youve just finally woken up as youve realised you aint getting nothing out of this relationship which is why youve decided to stop being a fool and going to his house and do things on the couch, your relationahsip is purely physical and nothing else. If he cared he would see you every day of the week and would not be afraid to take you out. Atleast you made the right decision to stop coming evry thursday besides hes not very andventorous if he always sits on the couch talk about a couch potatoe, Im surprised you even bothered turning up for so long
that’s an interesting thought hidaya but in my opinion intimacy -sharing deep emotions and thoughts with the therapist or sharing bodily/sexual intimacy with a prostitute are at a different level from a connection with a teacher or doctor with whom you have a different kind of relationship.
Hidaya, I won’t call you insightful, though you are lol…
Is that the guy who wrote the raven? I hear he is dark, I remember it being required reading in english classes i’ve taken, in 3 different continents, somehow it never happened.
I hope he’s as good as mr. JD lol
I think we all take a plunge in one way or another. Going into debt to become a doctor pretty much guarantees you won’t be lifeguarding at some scenic beach right out of school. I think the reason the religious plunge is hard to swallow is because it is low on tangible rewards (money,comfort, security). Yet the apologetics would suggest the best capital to be gained in life is faith, brotherhood, and love. …holden caulfield still comes to mind
By politics do you mean social work or state government?
Tsepeace I understand my point but I think you might have mis-understood my point. I did not mention intimacy sexual or otherwise with either medical doctors nor teachers nor therapists What I did say and I put my quote about the matter is this:
That with many professionals in health or law or finance or education we share intimate aspects of our lives and it is part of their jobs that they should be privy to those details, so in that way they now our history in a particualr area of our lives.
That is totally different from sharing intimacies with the doctors, lawyers teachers or therapist.
For a start all of these people are professionals in a formal position of trust, if they are any good all will have intimate knowledge of patients/clients/students because, well they have to how else are they supposed be of any help if they dont know the people they are dealing with? but will not have intimate deep relations with them, that is a no no…
They should not initiate , nor should they encourage any attachment with their charges of and if the charges ie patient/student/client wont behave themselves a good /therapist/doctor/lawyer/teacher/ should gently rebuke them first and then tranfer their care to someone else they dont want intimate relations with hopefully. That is wrong and illegal too. I hope my point is clearer to you now….
Datdude it is ok, you can call me insightful and I will up the ante and call you deep and perceptive how is that for a compromise?:)…
Yeah the Raven is one of EAP best poems, I never forget the first four lines of that poem, starting with this one…Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary…I like his short stories too, The Fall Of The House of Usher is one of my all time favourites short stories by him yeah it is said he is dark, I like his darkness though it is rich in imagination, imagery and story telling if that is dark, I like dark:)….I like them both but if I had to choose one I will stick with Edgar Allan Poe…
True about the religion plunge and the lack of tangible returns I once read this quote somewhere “Faith makes everything possible, love makes it easy” of course this is humanly love and not divine, I just wonder what drives faith so strong it willingly surrenders to lifelong loneliness and lack of human love and lack of ego, datdude you sound lots sunnier than holden caufield:)….
I am ok with social work it is just politicians and politics I am not too keen on, yet I have political concerns and almost everything in life is about politics/political decisions/consequences how it might affect you what comes after it affects you badly, vote, dont vote, who might be good and can be trusted with power, who is a fibber manipulator and cant be trusted and might blow the whole world up by stealth? I am bitter about politics and politicians here, very untrustworthy lot…No Obama for us, not even a Ralph Nader, dont think we want Mrs Clinton and I personally dont want a Brit Mr McCain…
Good thing you finally managed to break yourself free off this greedy therapist. His professional duty would have been to help you stand on your own feet and find your own way. Instead he cynically exploited your vulnerabilities and created dependence (emotional and psychological) to keep you coming for more, and spend more.
Well, this reminds me of the joke about a newly graduated son of a lawyer who started to work at his father’s firm. Three weeks in to his job, the son proudly proclaimed “Dad, I have cracked that case which you have spent years just to figuring it out” To which the father angrily answered “you idiot, we have been living off the payment on that case for the last ten years.”
This therapist of yours has also been living off your payments for 5760 minutes before you finally see him for what he is: a greed too happy to profit from others’ misfortunes. Well done!
Good thing you finally managed to break yourself free off the crook. His professional duty would have been to help you stand on your own feet and find your own way. Instead he cynically exploited your vulnerabilities and created dependence (emotional and psychological) to keep you coming for more, and spend more.
Well, your case reminds me of this joke about a newly graduated son of a lawyer who started to work at his father’s firm. Three weeks in to his job, the son proudly proclaimed “Dad, I have cracked that case which you have spent years just figuring it out” To which the father angrily answered “you idiot, we have been living off the payment on that case for the last ten years.”
This therapist of yours has also been living off your payments for 5760 minutes before you finally see him for what he is: a greed too happy to profit from others’ misfortunes. Well done!
Hidaya, I like the compromise
(yitzhak rabin?)
I will be going to the libr. to pick up whatever book I can find by mr. EAP…I hope it is an easy err…interesting, thought provoking read lol.
Politics I think by its very nature attracts the ambitious and power hungry. Add to that the fact politicians operate within a realist framework, and it is easy to lose optimism. I hope this hasn’t disaffected you from working towards the change you wish to see. What I have learned is the benefits we enjoy in society come because someone dedicated their energy and will, almost always being in the minority. Even if you don’t succeed there is I hope some joy in fighting. The tough part is finding a cause, cuz there are so many…
I hope taking a plunge doesn’t mean a lifetime of loneliness, after all there is companionship outside marriage right? its interesting to me that I see this sort of willing detachment as a positive, I assume faith has to be real to that person to make it all worthwhile. If not, then the melancholy you observed would also be my prediction. BTW what is your impression of holden? is his condition curable? can he once again enjoy the nectar of life? lol
Datdude I got you a link to EAP books,should be easy read ermh, interesting I mean:)…
http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Edgar_Allan_Poe/
I am more a creature of negotiation than compromise but one leads to the other doesnt it unless you get killed for it like that poor guy?…
Oh got causes, got too many causes for my liking at times and yeah I realise that almost all freedoms and benefits that I enjoy now have been fought for, by other people in the past, I personally rather do that in a area not politics, humaniterian and one other area I will probably get engaged with it at some point, they all require political will by others though so there is no escaping politics…
Datdude I am confused now, I thought companionship of any kind was prohibited for nuns? that is the plunge I was talking about, willing detachment as well as strong certainty I suppose is what one requires when giving up most things that make up life incase nagging doubt seeps in later later when it might be too late?…
Cant remember properly but wasnt holden caufield really young? 15 or sixteen I think I think it is meant to be a journey of growth and introspection and that book datdude is very releveant in today’s London and hc sorts does in the end, btw even today I saw a holden caufield relative lol, only this one is a girl and a nightmare at the moment I am patiently awaiting for her to snap out of her of teenage self absorption and holden caufield like tendecies and years, then I remember my own teenage years and I soften towards her…
Datdude I got you a link to EAP books,should be easy read ermh, interesting I mean:)…
sorry datdude dont think it is accepting links
I am more a creature of negotiation than compromise but one leads to the other doesnt it unless you get killed for it like that poor guy?…
Oh got causes, got too many causes for my liking at times and yeah I realise that almost all freedoms and benefits that I enjoy now have been fought for, by other people in the past, I personally rather do that in a area not politics, humaniterian and one other area I will probably get engaged with it at some point, they all require political will by others though so there is no escaping politics…
Datdude I am confused now, I thought companionship of any kind was prohibited for nuns? that is the plunge I was talking about, willing detachment as well as strong certainty I suppose is what one requires when giving up most things that make up life incase nagging doubt seeps in later later when it might be too late?…
Cant remember properly but wasnt holden caufield really young? 15 or sixteen I think I think it is meant to be a journey of growth and introspection and that book datdude is very releveant in today’s London and hc sorts does in the end, btw even today I saw a holden caufield relative lol, only this one is a girl and a nightmare at the moment I am patiently awaiting for her to snap out of her of teenage self absorption and holden caufield like tendecies and years, then I remember my own teenage years and I soften towards her…
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