Woy Wrap 78 Comments

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I have been getting clips of different kinds of music lately.  When I click on one it would lead to another and another. The dances and rhythms are very familiar and similar. Some clips from East Africa to Middle East to South America to Scandnavian to France and to Asia follwed by a return trip to East Africa.

Is this ignorance, acceptance or a reflection that music transcends language and culture barriers?  Are we losing our creativity? Are we giving up our cultures?  Is the world becoming one.. globalization?

78 Responses to “Woy Wrap”


  1. 1 Nolawi

    Adey Abebe, First I would like to welcome you and thank you for contributing…

    I haven’t as of yet checked out the music you have posted for us. Although I think I’m familiar with the Ethiopian music you posted…

    Music is similar throughout the world period! That is mostly because the world is similar.. meaning most of our influences are western..

    I don’t know if you are familiar with Post Modern Theory, but it claims that there is hopelessness in Education, meaning that detailed Education can’t really be global. The reason is that the more global our education the less detailed it will be… because we will stop really studying the Dead White Mans Theories in detail and look at other sources of Information, maybe study spirituality from the Tibetans… mathematics from the Indians.. etc… traditional medicine from Africa…etc…

    In the 1950’s the post modernists figured out that true globalization would not happen… medical schools will never teach traditional medicine… Newton will always be the father of Gravity…. Etc…

    Thus the Dead White men will continue to influence the worlds lives… The west will continue to be our source of inspiration for Music Art Technology… etc so to answer your question Alemayehu Eshete was influenced by Elvis Zeritu by Britiney spears and Japanese rappers by Jay-Z…

    Although the internet has made it possible for humans to take small strides towards globalization… it appears we are no where near the vicinity of true globalization..

    Sorry about deviating ….

  2. 2 Marina Wotete

    I think the music trends has always been inspirational from each other.. For example, during the Jazz era, musicians were inspired from one another and it’s spread like a desease. So, you see when you heard Rap, R&B even most popular Reggae style in our culture, don’t call it ignorance, cause you your self will sound one. :-)
    Actually I am a BIG Hip-Hop fan and been exploring African Rap, from WEST_EAST_SOUTH_NORTH AFRICA! And love to see the effort made by my people to express them self and take RAP Back where it belongs.. AFRICA!
    I think you need to elaborate more on your question and do s little more research before generalizing.
    What you should have said was, are we losing our culture by experimenting other music?? I have a perfect example, Zeritu, GiGi, Teddy, Bole2Harlem, Aster Have put us on the map, the new artists need to carry the rest.

    M&W

  3. 3 Nolawi

    But that has always been true marena wotet, even music from the golden era is western…

    Modern ethiopian music as a whole is western… otherwise tilahune and the rest would have used washint instead of sax and kebero instead of drums and kerar isntead of guitar…

    the whole world uses this instruments….

  4. 4 celebratelife

    Hi Adey, I’ve been looking forward to your articles and thank you for brining up this one subject I have wanted to discuss.

    Most of the video clips have one thing in common…they’re rapping about something. Hip-hop/rap has become the music style that is connecting the youth among all cultures for all the wrong reasons. We seem to be forgetting this music style was born and cultivated to release the tension among the blacks in the US, living in poverty, abuse, crime…it is a culture on its own. For example, Burntface and Bole to Harlem come on yeah they’re cool, I guess, but give me some Ethiopian hardships to bite on. Tell me of your struggle stories, as an Abesha, that’s what hip-hop/rap is. These days it’s like watching a manikin wearing same outfits speaking a different language, doing the same dance trying to pass off. Are we losing our creativity? Oh definitely along with identity, culture and sense of self.

    Yes I’m a true hip-hop/rap fan and when I listen to a cd I’m looking for the stories, the struggles and not some nonsense being rapped about nothing…now until others around the world start doing the same I’ll see them as knock off of the real thing.

    M&W, “take RAP Back where it belongs.. AFRICA!” How did you come to that conclusion? Exactly where in Africa did rap originate? Did you mean African-American? Are you referring to Azmari’s by any chance?

  5. 5 blenmark

    nolawi just curious…how do u know all this different things…do u go and read before u respond….everytime u write something it is more from some knowledge…

  6. 6 tata

    blenmark that’s exactly what I was thinking about. Every topic, he got some intelligent answer. Either he/she reads a lot or has got to much time to research about it.I know a guy like that. That is before internet time(12 years ago), he reads everything and any thing. He has to reads > 2 hrs. a day before he goes to sleep. When he talks about religion it is not only from the Christian side but it’s from Muslim n, Buddhist, Jova witness…because he has read bible, Koran, Buddhist…oh sorry off the subject.

  7. 7 Dawit

    The question in this case is whether we are losing our creativity? Are we giving up our cultures?

    Well my answer to the question is no…
    If ordinary people in Africa tend to be invisible and impossible to hear, then African youth initially appear to be the silent majority. Yet youth are becoming increasingly capable of being heard. In Ethiopia (and elsewhere in Africa) urban youth and young adults have absorbed global popular music like rap and reggae and have created local, loud varieties and thus making sure their experience is no longer invisible. Access to and incorporation of global music and other elements of global popular culture like fashion, food, and sport show how youth move (both in fantasy and reality) on transnational environments, as well as how they negotiate their national experience as Ethiopian.

    To also answer the Q made by Celebratelife and the statement made by M&W
    “take RAP Back where it belongs… AFRICA!” How did you come to that conclusion? Exactly where in Africa did rap originate? Did you mean African-American? Are you referring to Azmari’s by any chance?

    The most commonly recounted story off hip-hop can actually be traced back all the way to West Africa and I quote;

    “Rapping in hip hop music can be traced back in many ways to its African roots. Centuries before the United States existed, the griots (folk poets) of West Africa, including Mali, Gambia, Guinea, and Senegal were rhythmically delivering stories over drums and sparse instrumentation. Because of the time that has passed since the griots of old, the connections between rap and the African griots are widely recognized, but not clear–cut. However, such connections have been acknowledged by rappers, modern day “griots”, spoken-word artists, mainstream news sources, and academics.”
    Source:

  8. 8 Dawit

    I forgot to add the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapper

  9. 9 Mitmita

    blenmark and tata…lol that was a funny side note but you did raise my curiosity about Nolawi’s KNOWLEDGE source….

    Anyway…to get back to the main point…globalization is not a new theory…it’s been around since the days of Christopher Columbus…the term might be recent but not the concept…in the days of internet and other telecommunication technology…it’s infinitely faster and widespread that it has ever been. And the effects are felt world wide in such things as music

    To comment on your question… if in fact the world in becoming one and leads to the similarities of music around the world…maybe what we need to do is to make sure that is not one way…instead of music form the West influencing the rest of the world, also the rest of the world influencing the west. Everyone contributing to the world music equally

    I think it is starting to happen (Latin influence on Rap) but it’s not enough

  10. 10 Marina Wotete

    A Diasporic Practice Goes Back to Africa! My Habesha people.. Are we forgetting our own ancestors going to war by FUKERA/rapping… ZeraffZeraff, Zeraff, Akaki Zeraff, Etttttteeteeeetteettteee!

    Adeay! Weather you like it or NOT! Africa is taking BACK rap!
    The strength of this music is that it pulls young people together from all social backgrounds. It erases ethnic differences too. With rap, it’s the street talking. And now more than ever, our heads of state had better be listening.” That was the word from the rappers who came together to record Da Hop (1), the first compilation of rap to come out of Senegal. In Africa half of the population is between 15 and 25, and these are the sounds that they groove to.
    Rap has swept every nation with a tradition of the gab, producing locally rooted hybrids from Italy to the Indian Ocean and beyond. But Senegal has adapted it to local needs more than most.
    “Hip tied together like shepherd and flock, like a king and his servants, a thief and his gun, a macho and his prostitutes, a politician and his lies, the Prophet and his disciples.” the latest Senegalese and South African rap bands has entered international awareness, focussing attention once again on one of Africa’s most vibrant hip hop nations.
    Inspiring youth culture and musical creation wherever it touched. In the most remote corners of the globe, now including Kenya, Tanzania, even Ethiopian artists have grabbed the sampled loop, twisted it to suit their taste and imbued it with local flavour.

    Dose RAP needs to be about struggle?? How about LOVE?
    My favrtie is “Enseralen Gojo” By Bole2Harlem. check out this video… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFMl_pM2EEI
    Great Art. No Mercedis, No BMW, No sky scrapers , no light works and no Nude girls. It is all natural and beautiful work. It just shows Ethiopia is deep and rich in its culture. A simple village, a mule and traditional dress with modern thinking created such pleasant work.
    Bole2Harlem recently have been reveiwed by Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/album_review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003437977

    Gigi’s music also been in Rap Genere on Billboard:

    Hip Hop in Africa is huge!!! They have put Ethiopian Music on billboards!
    http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/album_review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003437977
    Resepect to the group!!

    Today, the youth of Africa, talks, wears, lives and breathes hip hop. I call it The hip hop virus. No coincidence that Africa Raps’ best moment is its most thorough blend of African and American-and fusion of other cultures, that the latter has a slight edge over the former US rap groups.

    M&W

  11. 11 alwaysadifferentnameiguessiamshy

    excellent topic…thought provoking comments. celebrate life i couldnot agree with you more. music is dying. creativity is dying. all the new hits are cookie cutter impressions of whatever song came first. i’m tired of listening to directions on how to dance..you snap your damn finger lil whatever. most importantly where is the content?????

    as for where rap came from, it came from brooklyn..i bet you i can look back to some tribe in china that happend to use drum and rythm (hmmm what an intersting sound) and say rap came from there.

    all in all, there is no innovation anymore…i mean to think people came up with new genres every decade (rock, rap etc) and now we have to listen to lil scrappy..o man

    anyone wanna guess the new genre of music is gonna be? hey maybe its some weird computer song…oh wait we can already make software track…sigh

  12. 12 Mitmita

    Change is usually subtle…maybe we’re not noticing the changes as they happen

    Or

    maybe what’s new is the integration of the different kinds of music from every where

  13. 13 Timo

    Can you believe we have digressed from 2Pac and NWA to lil-what’s-his-face? I tend to agree with those who say the content/message is what is important.

  14. 14 Mitmita

    Timo…Bernos Press is not here yet….

  15. 15 Dinich

    What is RAP in Amharic? It is FUKERA. We have had it since time immemmorial. You see, rap originated in Ethiopia. (Just kidding)

    Jokes aside, there are a number of reasons why today’s music sounds the same. Let me give you one of them. I have a home studio. It is so affordable that anyone can have it at home and yet it is so poweful and versatile I have everything it takes to produce any style of professional level music, rap, jazz, Indian, Abesha (yes KIRAR and MESENKO can be sampled and played on a keyboard once sampled). Infact, a lot of western musicians are into ethnic sounds these days I won’t be surprised if a MESENKO sound makes it into a Britney Spears song. I am sure some of you have heard some citar(indian instrument) or some arabic melodies in some rap songs. It is not that those westerners know how to play those exotic instruments. It is a sampled sound.

    So, technology has given me access to all the instruments of the world in my computer. I don’t know how to play all those instruments but they are sampled and made playable on my keyboard.

    Is this a bad thing? Not for me. Am loving it. But, I have heard many strong arguments against it.

    The other thing this technology has given people is called loops. Have you ever bought a desk at your local department store that you brought home and assembled? Did you feel like you made the table? Loops is much like that. There is a lot of premade loops in the market today anyone with little knowledge of music can assemble together and make music. If you are good with it, you can sound really professional. It takes the fun out of making music but a lot of the stuff you hear out there is made that way.

    My Canadian 2 cents.

  16. 16 chelema

    Ahhhh, the power of music! Where should I begin, Let me start by saying that I grew up listening to Tilahun Gessesse…then moved on to Neway Debebe/Tsehay Yohannes/Kenedy mengesha(NEBSUN YIMAREW)….(Is Aregahegn still alive?)…Oh oh oh, I forgot Astuka(love her, love her love her!) I had great childhood memories listening to all of them. Then moved on to MICHAEL BOLTON “DAN DARARAAAAAAAA…the transition began” Then comes the HIP HOP era(at least for me) 2 Pac, Dr.Dre, Snoop ….list goes on. I thought I was the coolest dude in school by carying around with me the latest release of 2 pac Shakur before he died (Is he really dead? 4 real?). Kept my loyalty to hip hop and then came to the US. HIPED AND HOPED AT almost every club in my city for about five years…and then gradually started popin’ the old school Tilahun Gessesse back to my CD player(It sounded better than it did before, same songs). Fell in love with it all over again. Astuka came for a concert in my city…checked her out(I was so happy to see her in person) fell in love with her all over again. Then Gigi came along. She was stunningly beautiful. Oh and her voice…hmmm hmmm hmmm! (I could give a million bucks I didn’t have just to kiss her). Anywho…THE MORAL TO THE STORY IS…I ended up going back to my roots. After exploring what was out there. And to me, music is only good if it reminds you of “the moment” Today it became a question of what SELLS! So you find more and more Ethiopian singers coming out not carying the torch “Ene Tilahun Gesesse carried” but importing one from abroad. Are they doing the wrong thing? I don’t think so. That’s what the majority of their customers need and so that’s what they’re gonna provide. I like this topic though. “DINDAY OR TASA MASELEF YEMICHAL KEHONE, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST WE TALK ABOUT ETHIOPIAN FILM AFTER MUSIC IS DONE TALKED ABOUT” ESHI?

  17. 17 Mitmita

    Dinich…1st glad to see you kept the name I gave you…:)

    2ed…I don’t understand what you mean by “sampled”??? I am technologically challenged, please explain.

  18. 18 celebratelife

    Dawit, Thank you for answering my questions. It’s one of those, ‘if you don’t know, now you know’ moments for me. I have followed the trends of rap from its earliest days to the current gangsta rap by 50 and The Game and I have always known it to have been born in the slums of NY. The only question I have is, as I was reading the link you posted, it states “the connections between rap and the African griots are widely recognized, but not clear–cut.” am I in denial, misunderstanding, or is the connection not full proof?

    Tata, I think you’re describing my brother in law. I swear that man is a freaken walking reference book just like Nolawi. You ask him about a foreign country he starts with…2000 b.c. When I need the real 411 about anything at a drop of a hat I ask my sis, where’s your hubby?

    I am discovering my roots of Amarenga muzika. I have a strong connection to Motown and hip hop/rap and slowly but surely I’m getting into Amarenga. I feel more connected to Teddy Afro because I get the lyrics. Music is poetry and I love poetry that’s why I have to connect to the lyrics to enjoy it. When I hear all the wanna be artists imitating the originators I see them like marketing guinea pigs…let’s see who can get a gold by the end of the week and after 6 months they’re never heard of again.

  19. 19 Marina Wotete

    chelema; Love the new idea… The ext topic should Ethopian Film.

  20. 20 dinbulo

    Mogne Wiha Siwesdew Yisikal alu…minew endamarebin, rasachin akibren bininor? Kerasachinim sanhon, Ye sewin zim bilo megelbet yemiasazin neger new. You are talking about this in a “shit happens” kind of way. To be inspired is one thing. When Alemayehu Eshete got inspired by James Brown or Elvis, he wasn’t gyrating his hips on TV. I respect Tedi Afro – his music has been inspired by others, his videos stay with in the norm for most Ethiopians, his message is beautiful. To copy all the lude behavior we see in US videos is another.

    It would have been okay if this was just about getting out of people’s comfort zones. The sad thing is that it isn’t. It used to be the bible that colonized much of Africa…today it is mainstreaming erotica that is eating out the souls of the youth, making them to stop thinking about who they are and look for role models in x,y and z.

    When I see these videos, all I see is self loathing.

  21. 21 ZT

    Is rap really Inka selantia? I guess, perhaps the root of almost everything can be traced to Africa, though it can always be argued as not clear-cut, as they say. Except for a few exceptions I concur that creativity is gone, though I would not say not to come back. A flicker of originality appears once in a while in present day artists. I think they are all succumbing to market forces, and the hype a one album (only a piece in there) success brings. We don’t see them gradually building up fan resources, instead everyone of them go to the one and only hot arranger, producer of the time whose dexterous fingers are tailored for sampling. We still listen to these less mediocre sounds, just to be seen as trendy. When will these artists become trend setters instead of following the footprint of others? Time will tell. Perhaps as almost oin everything is this world only a few are blessed with original thought.

  22. 22 chelema

    celebratelife, Teddy Afro is very creative in his lyrics selection. I could hear him. Damn that boy is goooood. I remember going to his concerts and I was going crazy with the songs and dancing my butt off(remind you, i was visiting that city and knew no one there). Most people thought I was intoxicated(though I had only water). But he is the real deal and I respect him for what he is and what he has accomplished. I was a little concerned when I saw his music video(the one that looks like the Michael Jackson Triller video). I wouldn’t have done that if I were him, but I am sure he had all the reasons in the world to do what he did. Aside from Teddy though, One thing I don’t get about most ethiopian music videos is the “THE DANCERS” My God, I don’t know if its because I am just too slow or what! but do they suck! Booooy, Oh by the way, the link on this post about the Ethiopian rapper, I thought he did okay. The sound and the tune had great taste to it. But still the dancers SUCK. eeeaaw! Sounds like they only had one Choreographer in Ethiopia who teaches the same old routine. Its like a boot camp….’right…left…right!

  23. 23 Adey Abeba

    Nolawi and Celebratelife thanks for welcoming me. This is an
    interesting discussion. Nolawi, I agree to what is influencing the
    world’s lives although I have to say sometimes what is ours is wrapped
    in a different package and sold back to us. And I am not talking
    about fukera here; I am thinking of the traditional medicines that are
    researched by western educated chemists and made in mass and then sold
    back at a cut throat price.
    C’mon M&W, what map have Zeritu, Gigi, Teddy… put us on? Like you
    and Dinich said we have music like
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAJODuLLstY &
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-rthgTLUJk&mode=related&search that
    are “inspirational from each other”. Still the rap influence is more
    international. Personally, I want to experience the uniqueness of a
    culture when I travel or try to sample some country’s music. Besides,
    I wouldn’t want to wake up in ten years and find that everyone from
    Antananarivo, Boston, Yokohama and Zagreb eats gm hamburgers, talks
    american and wears jeans which seems inevitable considering even
    eneZeritu talk american already:) (you should ck out her interview if
    you haven’t already). You cracked me up Chelema .. I totally agree
    with your entry. BTW, why are you using cds still .. hasn’t iPod made
    it to your neck of the woods yet? :)

  24. 24 Nolawi

    Ha ah aha ha;
    Blenmark, Tata, That is what 5 years at art school will do to you. As far as time, i feel that I probably have the most limited time compared to most people I know… But I am proactive about participating and reading all the content of this blog…

    My knowledge is actually very limited to a cetain subjects… like sociology..web technology… that is it…

    anyways I know you guys have disagreed with what I have said…regarding that the world is very western and is becoming more western… not really true globalization

    at the expense of sounding like a know it all… on this aspect i’m 99% sure i am right… but you are all entitled to your opinions…

  25. 25 chelema

    Adey Abeba, JUST SO YOU KNOW, its a freakin’ snow territory here and there is no fresh “ADEY ABEBA” to look at. So, I am actually smiling as I write this, because your nick reminds me of that “EmBuT” adey abeba I used to give to my girl(USED TO is the key word here). AAAAny way, about the Ipod thing, let’s just say that I’m emotionally attached to my dusty CD player for the past 10 years and haven’t had the courage to try the ipod. I am just glad I didn’t mention about my other attachment to my old VHS player as well.(OOOps) Oh well…

  26. 26 chelema

    Just out of curiousity, Where is everyone located? I will go first. I am in Chi-Town(Chicago if you don’t know). Just thought, someday we might wanna have a BERNOS family re-union. Oh wait…is there such a thing as family in the world of (cyber-space)? Let me tell you a little story. There is this group on myspace.com. around 16,000 members from the Chicago land. Its a group of blacks, whites, latinos, asians, midgits…(you get the point…) One day, a group of us active blogers decided to meet up at a local bar. It was a saturday late-afternoon. About 20 of us managed to make it to the bar, ordered a whole lot of chicken wings and lots and lots of pitchers of beer. And then…the FenTeZiyaw began. Checked out a few clubs (VIP style) and at the end of the night….The results were. TWO PEOPLE GOT HOOKED UP TO A NICE JOB BY ONE OF THE ATTENDEES. FOUR OF THEM FOUND THEIR TRUE LOVE(so they said…) I got introduced to a future potential client for my company. About 10 of them passed out and had to be taken to a hotel. One girl had experienced her first sip of alcohol that night(…she’s been a drunkie eversince…EmTS..poor girl). But anyway, it was a lot of fun in a Great way.

  27. 27 Nolawi

    Chelema, once we get the press thing going we will reinforce creating a community…. till then promote promote.. and participate… so that we will have a successful lanch!

  28. 28 celebratelife

    Hahahahaha, Chelema you’re truly entertaining. Your comment reminds me of the “Float on” song by the Floaters…Libra and my name is Chelema, I live in the windy city of Chi town, I like Bernos and who the hell are you people?” hahahah sorry I couldn’t pass that one up.

    You know your post should be made into lyrics as the official Bernos song that would be a cd worth buying.

  29. 29 toothpick

    It would have been okay if this was just about getting out of people’s comfort zones. The sad thing is that it isn’t. It used to be the bible that colonized much of Africa…today it is mainstreaming erotica that is eating out the souls of the youth, making them to stop thinking about who they are and look for role models in x,y and z.

    When I see these videos, all I see is self loathing.

    just a few points to point out that points you made have no point to point out at all.

    - we were suckers for christianity. so why does it surprise you that we’re kissing the ass of cultural imperialism?

    - thinking about “who we really are” and “acknowleding our souls” implies the very daring and (i hate this word, but …) revolutionary act of unlearning everything we’ve been spoonfed … including the religions, dogmas, and politics that came to us from overseas.

    - the thing about music is … authenticity, without any interpretation/adaptation, simply becomes boring after … say, 20 years at most. which is why hiphop has degenerated to the mainstream bullshit that it is now. besides, with an open door policy on music and culture, you have to realize that there will be horrible results just as much as really good/impressive ones. check out groups like Ozomatli (California, Mexico, Puerto Rico), Orishas (Cuba), and Daara J (Senegal) who have put out jawdropping, genre-bending albums. or even Femi Kuti, who’s had collaborations with The Roots, Common, Mos Def, etc … Andjelique Kidjo and Zap Mama tour with the finest of “good” hiphop artists too. Similarly, groups like BurntFace are doing it very well and artfully, albeit without the publicity that would do their art any justice. as far as booty gyration and materialism is concerned … well … get off your high horse. if it’s not your cup of tea, say so. but pitching that against your assumption of some stuffy arrogant conservatist culture … get over it, homie. next thing you know, you’ll be blaming sex and prostitution on the west, too.

    - some people work in corporate america knowing that some of their actions, in the grand scheme of things, might contribute towards the oppression, exploitation and marginalization of some groupe of people elsewhere. likewise, some people put out mediocre music to pay their bills. everyone “sells out” in their own way. judging, on the other hand, is reserved strictly for those suffering from a chronic case of anal-cranial reversal syndrome.

    - having 5 points would have been nice … considering 5 is a nice “medemdemia” number … but oh well …

    *runs back into vault*

  30. 30 chelema

    Okay I know I ain’t the sharpest “BiLaWA” in the drawer. But do you have any idea how many Ah-Eh-MeRo cells I just slaughtered just to understand and make sense out of this specific line?

    just a few points to point out that points you made have no point to point out at all.

    You’re deep. I can’t say I agree or disagree with your comment, but let me read it again (Abo Yigbagn mejemeriay aydel?) Dinbulo, you’re gonna need at least a buck to respond to this one. Toothpick,…that was HOT though. You’re kinda deep. But you got me on that line about the …points,.. poiont,.. points,… point,… point…Its kinda like….ERaSen BeRaSe AFen-BemelaSe…kalanqolepelateskut….well you know the rest.

  31. 31 dinbulo

    Toothpick,

    I am very comfortable on my high horse.

    There is little that is revolutionary about what I said. Stay true to who you are, borrow from your own experiences, by all means express them by borrowing from others if at adds some value, but don’t borrow the experiences them selves, especially when they are of zero social value. That is no revolution – that is just common sense.

    I didn’t try to pin sex or prostitution on the west. Sex is as natural as breathing; there is nothing “western” about it. Prostitution is the result of lack of economic access to better opportunities.

    A bit about what you said regarding unlearning the spoon feeding etc… I am not entirely sure where your beef is, but from what you said I think it is with religion. Christianity [as well as Islam] has been part of Ethiopian culture for centuries now, and more importantly it was never an instrument of imperialism in the Ethiopian context. Anyway the argument for accepting these videos as mainstream can not be “oh but religion is bad!” There is a lot to learn from the west; we just need to pick and choose, and find ways to integrate these things into our way of life.

    A conservative culture is not bad solely because it is conservative. There are legitimate areas where a conservative culture ought to change so that people get empowered (e.g. women), these are noble endeavors. Booty gyration will not change a conservative culture; it will only make it more resistant to progressive change in areas that matter. Mainstreaming lude behavior further pushes things that are not “normal” on impressionable youth. Arrogance is to assume that all change is good because it is western.

    Sorry for running with it. I didn’t try to pin sex on the west or prostitution. Sex is as natural as breathing; there is nothing “western” about it. Prostitution is the result of lack of economic access to better opportunities.

  32. 32 dinbulo

    disregard the last paragraph…

  33. 33 Tsilat

    Chelema….your last comment was so funny….laugh out loud, fall out of your chair…funny…

    I still working on the Point..point..point thing….:)

    Dinbulo…
    “Christianity [as well as Islam] has been part of Ethiopian culture for centuries now, and more importantly it was never an instrument of imperialism in the Ethiopian context”

    -that is soooo wrong… it was sooo used …most of our recent KINGS were Christians, Church and State where not sperarte and they defiantly oppressed people….so do the math

  34. 34 dinbulo

    Tsilat,

    I didn’t say there wasn’t/isn’t christian hegemony in Ethiopia. But that is not imperialism.

  35. 35 toothpick

    tsilat, come let’s giggle at chelema together. chelema, we’re giggling at you. like so: giggle giggle giggle chortle chuckle cackle cackle.

    this dude actually said “i am very comfortable on my high horse”

    go ‘head with your bad self, conquistador!

  36. 36 adey

    Toothpick I think you got the wrong guy …
    On a different note, I like your comment that we are “sell outs”. We are constantly struggling to balance personal selfish interests with that of the bigger self -identity/country and humanity in general. I am not motivated to go back to work in Ethiopia or passionate enough about the environment to ride my bike to work.
    It is hard to listen to music from the yest’era ..difficult to get used to the unfamiliar when you are surrounded with certain rythms and sounds. I think that is why we concurred that we enjoy listening to the familiar songs. Chelema, I think you should exercise your right to buy ipod and dvd

  37. 37 adey
  38. 38 chelema

    Okay, where are the administrators????? Can we move on to the next subject? Okay, I admit. I am addicted to this blog like “Ohhhhh Wiyeeeeeeeeeeee” Serious question, Is anybody going to Ethiopia for the Mellinnium?

  39. 39 Nolawi

    Chelema,…

    If you want to contribute… email us at info @ bernos.org… we will get you registered… minamin

  40. 40 Tsilat

    Toothpick….It was not chelema who said….”I am very comfortable on my high horse”

    plus…I was not gigle at chelema …I thought what he said was funny…

  41. 41 chelema

    Nolawi, are you paying$$$$$$$$$. I make a 7 digit salary and receive a 6 digit bonus CAN YOU MATCH IT?. But then again, I AM VERY RICH & I like my ethiopians so I will work for FREE for you (I’m such a nice guy ha?)

  42. 42 Nolawi

    you should be happy that we even invited you… chemlaka… I mean cheleme… hey just send us an email at you know where

  43. 43 Tsilat

    Dinbulo….

    All I am saying is that Haile Sellassie regime (and regimes before him) was very imperialistic…and it used Christianity – it was not official imposed but very high majority of people in high places were all Christians —and I don’t think it is by coincidence (even when close to 50% of the population was Muslim).

    The also used power (land ownership) and language – Amharic was the mandatory national language used in government, education, newspapers, etc-

    Mengistu…tried the separation of religion and state and also recognized widely spoken five or six languages as official language but it was deeply rooted by then

    And on the last note…I know the difference between hegemony and imperialism :)

  44. 44 Wudnesh

    toothpick

    r u always this complicated?

  45. 45 toothpick

    not really, wudnesh,

    i just can’t afford to be symbol-minded.

  46. 46 Wudnesh

    hahha..toothpick,….’symbol-minded’..huh? talk about simplicity!
    Even your nick…lol! yakkkk, what were u thinking..? u r one of a kind:)
    but if u r the guy in cornrow, u r cool…

  47. 47 Shanti

    Wudensh, don’t you love his sick and off the wall mind? I would love to just sit down and have a conversation with him. I bet he would get on my nerves so much that I would have to kill him… with kindness of course ;)

  48. 48 toothpick

    [begin sexist comment]
    trust a woman to judge someone’s coolness by their hair
    [end sexist comment]

    cookie, anyone? :)

  49. 49 Nolawi

    ha ah aha hah ahhahahah motkugn bakachihu..

  50. 50 La Joconde

    A little clip that sorta agrees with most of the views above, may not necessarily be about rapping, about the similarities and intersharing of tunes between different regions of the world. In the words of the great guitarist/musician from Mali, Ali Farka Toure…

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=y5Nem-PNHLY

  51. 51 La Joconde

    Oh for those of you who dont know Farka Toure, go back to the movie Unfaithful with Diane Lane and that cute ‘french’ guy, the tea-book scene in the apartment, remember the guitar there!!!!! pa pa pa…that is Farka Toure…Adey sorry to dump this comment on your Rap issue…I just love that guy’s work so much, couldnt resist.

  52. 52 Blue Blood

    i know this has absolutely nothing to do with what every1 here is talkin about(conversationoon labelashew silehone yeqerta)but the girls in the East Africa part of the video used to be in the same class as me when we were in high school…and I must say am NOT surprised to seem them here, gyrating helplessly…okay am done now…

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