One of those things that starts in a conversation at midnight on a regular day in a regular year. Our own .mike was swept of his feet…
some eleven months ago… to the challenge myself try to beat the odds by supporting him.”
According to him. I heard him and my issue and apparently every democrats issue has been the same. “Electability.” Thus although I was secretly routing for a black man to take a seat in the Oval Office I knew in my heart he no chance of being elected. The Clintons are too smart, and Mark Penn is probably the best political strategist in the world.
Then I saw the tide turning as Clinton was becoming more negative, the Iowian independents came to the rescue of us all. Everyone knew that he could not possibly win the neither Iowa Caucus nor the Democratic nomination for the presidential election of 2008. And then they announced it.
Wow, could this be the dream that MLK was talking about?
.Mike said that he finally felt vindicated. In many conversations he had told me that if Obama wins Iowa, the rest will follow. Not only the independents or the stern democrats but also the republicans will elect him.
And so the 95% white state of Iowa has answered the question of electability. Americans are able to see beyond the color of a mans skin if they get to know the person. Maybe!
Maybe this is what Americans felt about RFK. Although this gives me hope I am sure there are those hatemongers out there who are ready to cut our dreams short as they had done in the the modern era; X, MLK, RFK, JFK, 3 Ghandis including Indira and her son Rajiv, Ninoy Aquino and in December they assassinated Benazir Bhutto.
Obama sweeps is a website started way before the so called wave of the Iowa Caucus started. It is run by our own .Mike; these on top of donating almost the maximum allowed an individual on top of his participation in the campaign in many sorts.
Tonight we will see Obama sweep New Hampshire Primary. This is our chance to ride the wave and be part of history as America and the world elects a black man to the most powerful seat in the globe.
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Published by January 8th, 2008 in Current Issues, History and Noteworthy.
I am so so so sad and depressed today… all my hope was deflated…
Come on …over this ???…The guy still has a lot of ways to go .Imagine how many times he had to fail and get up to be here today.So If this is about NewHampshire ..you shouldn’t be depressed at all.
I think even if he doesn’t get elected Obama is a winner for showing that a Black person can come this far in US politics.
Come on…this is just NH and lost by only about 2% difference.Not bad for his campaign because he just came out of almost nowhere and capture people heart…especially young folks.As some say NH is a state where women vote dominate so that they gave her a chance to win.So seeing the result,his result is not bad.Now one election that shows obama’s chance among african americans is the one being hold next in South Carolina. This state is a majority blacks.lets wait and see what gonna happen. In short dont give up hope nolawi…more way to go.
I agree with Spacefog and Ohyeah. Not too bad.
I am also kind of beginning to like Clinton as my second choice….The rest of the candidates for both parties look the same old old white men that I am sick and tired of seeing in the oval office…
For me and my hubby it is anybody but Hilary/Billary. We do not want to see a repeat of the 90′s divisiveness. If Obama doesn’t make the cut to being the Democratic nominee, we will be voting for hopefully McCain or Huckaboom or if neither of them make it to the primary, we will sit out this election as will many friends with whom we have had many discussions.
[quote comment="115826"]For me and my hubby it is anybody but Hilary/Billary. We do not want to see a repeat of the 90′s divisiveness. If Obama doesn’t make the cut to being the Democratic nominee, we will be voting for hopefully McCain or Huckaboom or if neither of them make it to the primary, we will sit out this election as will many friends with whom we have had many discussions.[/quote]
wow a republican in the midst of the ethiopians… SAD
I can’t believe anybody especially a black person would vote for a huckabee type…
I could live with McCain though…
I don’t know if you guys felt what I felt yesterday when Hilary made her speech.
Most candidates take a good amount of time praising their spouses for support etc but she just lumped him with Chelsea and said Bill and Chelsea, and quickly moved on to her mom and her campaigners and her face started to brighten up by the time she reached to the campaigners.
I really felt her pain at that moment because it sounded to me like regardless of her willingness to forgive and move on, the Lewwinisky wound keeps rearing its ugly head.
Obama is there for the long haul, in the White House or other posts not only in the US but in the world. I see this Democrat race going down to the wire between Obama and Clinton. The most arogant/ignorant or for a cover-up called “tactical” moves being made by all the candidates is “if you can’t beat them, join them”. Before the IOWA caucuses, not a single candidate was talking about change, hope, or destiny except Obama. Now everyone has changed their strategy and the most common overhyped motto is ‘change’.
This will be a long overdrawn battle where we will see the evil and hate of the nation come out; i.e. if Obama continues to win or even stay on top.
As far as the criticism of an Ethiopian being a Republican, that’s a bit harsh. If you look at Huckabee or even Ron Paul, both Republicans, their stance on several things are far from conservative views. Infact, it’s been discussed as to why they don’t run as independents?
One question I have for everyone, by nature aren’t we (human beings) all conservatives in many views?
Love Jones,
I think you are right about most humans and specially Ethiopians being social conservative if not fiscal.
Talking about Ron Paul, have you heard him speak? He has such a great libertarian streak which appeals to the libertarian in me. But he is a little too far gone for me, with him speaking about getting rid of the Federal Reserve and taking money from white supremacists. I think he will probably ran as an independent and create havoc in the end.
conservatives is not good for minorities..
Last night was rough! No question about it. A body blow for Obama fans. We got cocky and we got the medicine — defeat. Lesson learnt.
However, at the helm of Hillary’s rise, there is a great — pershaps, the best news — for Obama. Obama to Get Union Endorsement This union is the most potent political force in Nevada and they deliver.
Also, the campaign just released this
Stay calm. We are being tested!
Mamitu,
Ron Paul is from another planet with his extreme and idealistic views, get rid of federal government such as IRS, CIA, FED Reserve, etc. His immigration laws are also crazy, legal or illegal, laws have to be fair across the board.
.Mike,
In every victory, there is defeat of some sort; even if it is small. Losing by 2 percent should not be taken to heart. There are still 90% of the country waiting to submit their ballots. Obama would have probably made the same speech in a win or a loss, and this man is determined. Look at it this way, if he won/wins everything we will not really know of other challenges that might be in the forefront. Being tested is an asset and not a liability. I want him to win a lot and lose some, but to come out as a champion is truly the goal. The strenth of a human is through adversity and tribulations….
My 2 Cents
His speech even after the defeat was better than both winners….I think he should do a lot of talking especially in the final hours to swing the indifferent voters….
Ah bitter pill to swallow for Obama hopeful which I am one even if I am not allowed to vote for him not being American like.
Was it all because that Hilary woman chocked up on tv? that is what is being said in the media here, that she dropped her guard and showed humanly vulnerability, and that she is on an avenging mission to remove the stain (no pun intended) of shame in which her husband’s presidency ended and she can only do that becoming President which is why she cried when it looked like she wouldnt win NH. Is this really thru or just the European media angle?…
It is ery strange she didnt choke when the entire world was watching her humilation over that Lewinsky woman her husband was doing. Everybody would have understood then now she get votes out tears. Wily old Mrs Clinton, her husband taught her good.
Yeah, Obama’s camp got a little lax yesterday. They assumed Iowa’s spectacular win had guaranteed them a win in NH, but no need to despair. This is a great lesson for them not to underestimate their opponent. It is going to be a hard fight and they have to fight smart if they are going to win the nomination. I was a bit ambivalent about Obama but after his win in Iowa and I heard his victory speech, I got really excited, I could really see him as president. I wasn’t too disappointed with last night loss because it would only make his campaign better, smarter. As hard as winning the Democratic nomination is going to be it is going to be a cakewalk compared to the “real fight.” I have a feeling Obama will rebound from this and go on to win the nomination and the presidency.
Can you imagine an American president, who is black, African even? Wow…. these are exciting times!
[quote comment="115874"]His speech even after the defeat was better than both winners….I think he should do a lot of talking especially in the final hours to swing the indifferent voters….[/quote]
LOL dinich!! i concur!!
I think it hurt him to stretch back in his chair letting edwards defend him during the debate on sat!
…speaking of…how much do u think hillary’s emotional interview influenced voters?
who said politics is not about swinging votes on trivialities must be kidding themselves…
LoveJones, you bring up a good question.
I guess it all depends on how you define a conservative and a liberal. I think, to get a better understanding of the issue and where everyoneis coming from, we should define what a conservative and a libreal means, becasue the definitions can change from society to society, culture to culture, country to country etc. Generaly speaking though, using the US definition of conservatism and liberalism, I think most Ethiopians here in diaspora as well as back home are more conservative than they thmselves realize. Most of our views are similar to the Huckbee and Bush types than that of Edwards or Kucinich.
But to answer your question, again in a more general sense, I think human beings are by nature liberals or at least they come out and grow up as liberals and shape their minds into conservatives because of the situation they find the wold in. Of course not all of them change to conservatives. These situations range from religion to economics to ploitics to just plain human nature and anything else in between. However, it is my deep belief that liberals believe that the intrinsic philosophy of liberals is that human beings by nature are good and trustworthy and of conservatives is that human being by nature are not trustworthy and bad, for lack of a better term.
For the record, I am a flaming liberal.
As for the election, my 2 cents, it is too early for anything. But it was interesting to see people’s reaction from Iowa to NH based on the results of just a fraction of the voting population. It is way too early to make any kind of definitive statement about what will happen. One last point, can everyone stop saying that Obama is black. No, he is half black and half white. But the racist country or maybe racist institution country the country is under, half black always equates to full black. Nothing against Obama and I think wwill make a good president, but let’s not kid ourselves to think that he is not part of the establishment. Could not agree with you more about Raon Paul, the guy is from another planet, lol although I agree about his views on the Iraq occupation.
Chereka,
I completely agree with you, it’s really how we define it and the selfish arogant ways of human beings always latch on to conservative views when we find out information, when we understand how things work, when we educate ourselves, when we want to latch on to our own kind (religion, race, ethnicity, sex, etc). Liberals by all accounts are individuals that focus on liberating everything, but with a cost. A cost to assume that person or individual who’s in the leadership position will try to liberate equal opportunity for those who are deprived/discriminated against/discontent, etc. Is that really more of a facade than an actuality? I seem to think so. Historically, African Americans during and after slavery are conservatives; civil rights movement was intended in bringing a common playing field so blacks can take care of blacks and infact separate but equal was a motto. On the surface it’s about liberating the country in some sense….
getting off the subject a bit and now going back to the Obama trail…..
Yes Obama is half white half African, but interms of how race is defined in America, he’s African American. He might be part of the establishment, but he’s of a different breed….local and state government, ideas of far and near, lifestyle of a different backgrounds, White/African/Asian (Hawaii/Indonesia)/innercity (ghetto in Chi), two different sets of parents, on and on…
What’s so surprizing is how he’s able to put all of that together and derive it to a presidential campaign; quite spectacular.
2 Cents
Chereka,
How can people be born liberal and at the same time plain human nature be blamed for making them conservative….If human nature is responsible for being conservative, then I prefer to conclude people are born conservative…. I tend to think people are born neither liberal not conservative and get their influences either from the local church pastor or Madonna….
Also, I find your statement about liberals believing that humans are generally good and consevative think otherwise hard to understand….If you elaborate may be I will understand.
cheers,
I agree with LoveJones, “a 2% defeat should not be taken to heart.” Listening to that man speak last night gave me goose bumps and moved me to tears. Politicians don’t usually have that effect on me. Obama has come a long way – winning in IOWA. I hope the american people give him a chance to bring about change. Just think how different our world might be today if Gore had won 8 years ago ?! I think the same opportunity exists now.
LoveJones, not sure if I completely got what you meant about the cost, specifically with “A cost to assume that person or individual who’s in the leadership position will try to liberate equal opportunity for those who are deprived/discriminated against/discontent, etc” So, I will wait for you to expand on it before I respond. I am also not clear on how the ‘separate but equal’ motto fit in all this.
Yes, it can be argued that African Americans were conservative in their social life, especially in the family life up until the 60’s and 70’s. They were very family oriented, holding strong kinship etc. However, when you bring in all the other dynamics such as economics, religion etc… they are far from conservative in my opinion. They are more open minded to new ideas, to new people, to new cultures, to new ethnic groups (just look the alliance that existed between AA’s and Jews in the 50’s and 60’s), because they have a very good understanding of how it feels to be discriminated against because of any of those reasons.
As for Obama, that’s exactly what I was referring to. When someone has just a drop of black blood in them, they are automatically labeled as black, even though they come from an exactly 50 – 50 white black parents like Obama. As for the establishment thing, I was more referring to his overall political views now than his political background. In some ways he is not much different from Hillary in his political views, although I think he makes a better president than her. I agree with you about his diverse background. It is a good asset and putting it together very well to attract voters.
Dinich,
You may have misunderstood my response. I think I can answer both your questions in one response. I may have misled you with my wording people ‘they come out ’ . Of course nobody comes out of his/her mother’s womb liberal or conservative. What I meant is people are generally good by nature. They are willing to live peacefully sharing what they have and helping others. I mean, look what we are teaching to our children. We tell them that sharing is good, we should help people who need it, be nice to one another etc.. And the liberal mind embraces that notion as it grows into the world. As we grow older and see the world around us, we either stick with the ‘let’s help each other out’ or the ‘everyone for himslef’ ideology. In other words, conservatives believe in the ‘me first’ notion and liberals believe in the ‘us as a society’ notion. If you talk to most even a good majority, I dare say, of people they tell you that they have no moral obligation to help others who are less fortunate. However, liberals have a more positive ideology about human beings which is, basically human beings are good and they stress the ‘us, together’ motto than the ‘me first’ attitude. They believe that people, who are less fortunate, with a little bit of help, will be able to support themselves. This is not to say that there are no conservatives who care about others who are less fortunate than themselves, but their belief is “hey, I got mine this way so go get yours too and I do not have to lend a helping hand to anyone’. This is regardless of how they got where they are today.
But, most of the world today is not constituted for that kind of ideology. There is already a great deal of injustice and inequality already that people are born into where they don’t even get a fraction of the chance a few people already have. Therefore, this attitude of me first will carry on to society in general and we see it manifested in what is going on today especially in the US. It carries into a world stage where a certain group of people are out to dominate another group using whatever means necessary. I can go on and on about other specific issues and the different ways liberals and conservatives look at them, but I don’t want to bore you. J
I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
Chereka, Thanks for the explanation.
The part I do not understand is how that can be ascribed to liberals more than conservatives. IMHO that kind of attitude has more to do with the kind of up bringing a person receives than the liberal/conservative dichotomy. If you do a survey of liberals and conservatives to find out what generally they believe, my guess would be you will find the same proportion of people in each group…
I have to say that I have been enjoying the sense of “excitement” that Obama’s sweep in Iowa has injected into the generally dull and formulaic political fakery. It is exciting to see that people who normally would not care for the fakery are coming out to vote, discussing ‘politics’ and fighting for their candidates. For that – the Obama hype just like the lesser Ron Paul mania– is positive and politicizing the next generation of young Americans.
I so loved the post Iowa frenzied panic that engulfed Clinton and the old establishment central committee of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Leadership Council, that are banking on a re-run of the Clinton dynasty. It also felt delicious to believe that a black man of Luo descent was, at least, symbolically going to cross the social and racial taboo.
The ‘shocking’, b/c all the pollsters were wrong, NH results kind of splashed cold water on these musings and dampened my herd like instincts to believe. After the victory lap on Hillary’s bones and a feel me good vibe about how … America is really becoming a more tolerant society … the old boring questions of what is he exactly going to do, how different is he from Hillary and why not get excited about Edwards, Huck – or even the bi-polar Ron Paul kept intruding.
Change – that’s the motto that got me hooked enough to just lose my senses. Once the Ganja smoke clears thou’ his message is like a cold bottle of coke on a hot day – nice to cool you down but all that colored water and sugar is useless for your health. The round the clock drumming of Change reminded me of the dictator Mengistu’s promise to Ethiopian’s – of Lewet – from where to where buddy? The closer you look the harder you have to hold your nose – at least for me. That’s why NH was such a downer – I wanted to keep my distance … chill … and enjoy the ride … but it is what it is.
Another thing, like the insightful Cherka was say’n – as Ethiopian Americans do we vote based on identity or political conviction? Are we, like a friend at work keeps telling me, to vote Hillary b/c of the “gender” or Obama b/c of the “race”?
What would happen if a
articulated the political views that best approximated my own convictions – would I be an Oreo cookie, even an Ethio-Republican one at that?
Hello Chereka and Dinich,
I think another way of saying this might be that conservative politics is geared towards specific individual needs based ideology, it is a political ideology that openly favours stronger groups in society with traditional values based and where little social duty is imposed on goverment whereas liberalism does the opposite. I am a flaming liberal too but surprisingly on one or two social issue, almost never politicall I agree with Conservatives with small c, not the rabdi right wing…
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Chereka,
“However, it is my deep belief that liberals believe that the intrinsic philosophy of liberals is that human beings by nature are good and trustworthy and of conservatives is that human being by nature are not trustworthy and bad, for lack of a better term.’ What? No wonder they said “libralism is a mental diorder”.
a little republican humor for you all:
From elephant to condom
The GOP National Committee announced today that it is changing the Republican emblem from an elephant to a condom because it more clearly reflects the party’s political stance. A condom:
* stands up to inflation,
* halts production,
* destroys the next generation,
* protects a bunch of pricks, and
* gives one a sense of security while screwing others.
Chereka,
I knew you will come back for more explanation. The “cost” is related to what we pay for voting for liberals thinking it will pay off, but hasn’t quite catapulted to the status quo; status quo being equality, freedom, and justice for all, partially and not just on paper. What I am trying to say is it cost us our self reliance to vote or support these liberatarians for little/no return in value. “Separate but equal” is also a comment to say how we stick to our own and are conservatives by providing opportunities in our neighborhoods, by our people for our people. That was the first step in the whole civil rights movement. Why do we create NAACP, NSBE, Black Caucus, Black oriented magazines etc? It’s to support and motivate our own because it doesn’t get recognized/respected by the majority and the common organizations/media, right? In reality, we are conservatives, but in the definition of the government structure, we fit into the liberal motto ’cause the higher power makes us believe so. Just like how Obama keeps reiterating, separation by political parties, separation by color/race, separation by region, separation by class is what’s killing the country that’s a true melting pot. Keep it to ourselves, as a nation of the United States, in a bigger spectrum.
Why did the AAs work with the Jews in the 60s? It’s because we had a common ground of discrimination, right? So we can bring our own to the same level as others and not necessarily to live and prosper with everyone. Mind you, most of the people who were forced to come to this country by force, ala slaves, adapting is something they had to do to survive.
I like these discussions as it combines new ideas with old.
Good day
Heeeeeyyyyy LoveJones!!! Who’re you calling old?? j/k I know what you mean about the cost. But if you think about it, in the last 25 to 30 years, liberals have not been voting for real liberals. Ever since Reagan, the word Liberal has been so demonized, even liberals have been avoiding the term like plague. Even today, non of the Dem candidates, except Kucinich, dare use it to describe themselves or their policies. And the Republicans use it as a scary word like Osama or The Boogie Man… They even have a new word for liberal now, which is ‘progressive’. lol So, that is part of the reason why true liberals have become extinct in the political scene.
I agree with your point on the ‘separate but equal’ view and its original meaning. It is sad that we are still fighting the battles of the past in this day and age. I read an interesting article somewhere about the cost of racism to this country and the number were staggering. Of course, they are projections or somewhat hypothetical, but if we were to take even half of the figures derived from the study, this country would have been even miles and miles further ahead than it is now. But, it is sad that we still have people who are bent on their believes about race.
Yes, I do enjoy discussions like this as well, and thanks for the civil exchange.
Now to the not so civi… I mean the Republican…
Oh look everyone, D.D. the Republican make joke…ha ha ha… Oh well, nobody accused Republicans like you of being intellectually seasoned anyways. But thanks for stopping by.
Metad, that was hilarious!!! Thanks. Now that is a joke. Are you paying attention D.D..oh never mind.
Well well well, isn’t this timely? See what I am talking about LoveJones. The NeoCons are still at it and are making a living from bashing Liberalism. Can you believe this douche bag? lol Comparing it to Fascism?? The nerve of him! Now which one is closer to Fascism, Liberalism or Neo-Conservativism? lol
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Author_says_Obama_Mussolini_indirectly_linked_0110.html
Here is the link, I don’t know why it didn’t work on the previous one.
Chereka,
I thought you librals believes in onenss. You don’t have to get agitated by others choices. You missed out the bill of choices? Assuming, it’s been written somewhere in the librals book.
One thing i like about librals? you guys are damn good protesters. Who wouldn’t get entertained by let’s legalize it (i mean everything), peew..global warming so,let’s hug a tree, those criminals are insane and they belong mental institute not jails, Mikey-D made them fat, society is responsible for all bums that’s the duty of civil society, sex education regardless of ages, morning after pills for girls, we’re not labeling enough (let’s add more & more), let’s have more bill of rights, the word “God” is a no,no and let’s de-christmizing, the list goes on…
BTW, i’m not a republician, i’m an urban-conservative.
“Chereka,
I thought you librals believes in onenss. You don’t have to get agitated by others choices. You missed out the bill of choices? Assuming, it’s been written somewhere in the librals book.
One thing i like about librals? you guys are damn good protesters. Who wouldn’t get entertained by let’s legalize it (i mean everything), peew..global warming so,let’s hug a tree, those criminals are insane and they belong mental institute not jails, Mikey-D made them fat, society is responsible for all bums that’s the duty of civil society, sex education regardless of ages, morning after pills for girls, we’re not labeling enough (let’s add more & more), let’s have more bill of rights, the word “God” is a no,no and let’s de-christmizing, the list goes on…
BTW, i’m not a republician, i’m an urban-conservative.”
Damn! I didn’t know Bill O’Reilly posted on Bernos! Can someone turn FOX news down please? It’s too loud. lol
D.D
I hate liberalism.But Gotta admit it-they are right.I don’t see anything right about Conservative-Universalism.It has brought the world to this chaos.
Ere gobez,
ye Ethiopia politica sinikelekel ye amarikawn gebanbet…..
If Evangelical Christian means conservative, I am conservative but I know I take Obama over George Bush any time….So what am I? May be I am confused like confused, the blogger that is….
Multiple indications of vote fraud are beginning to pop up regarding the New Hampshire primary elections… http://politics.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?id=460544&op=view
Winta,
Why don’t you love them then? Please, don’t hate anybody. What makes our world beautiful is our differences. Peace!
“You hate libralism, but ….they are right”? Ummm, “min malete akabai new”?
Chereka,
Fox/wolf- all the same “Bekolo”. Your people are moving to the center slowly but surely. Because, you’re “Chereka”, i felt you need to hear the planet earth news. Let me guess? You live in CA or MA, right? You’d be a good company dishing out politici :=) Admire your passion,though.
Obama who?
Forgive me, i’ve a short memory. I’m afraid that the “honeymoon” is already over.
I imagine, his NyQuill consumption right now. The Kucinich “hanging chad” drama remained to be seen, though. Who knows?
Nolawi,
Well, well, well! weren’t you joined the false media bandwagon so soon, then? Where’s Mike (please, donate guy)? My memory must be very selective, i remembered him clearly
Grand ma…
I am confused with your rant up there…enlighten me.
For a different perspective on the presidential race…. http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_got_what_america_needs_right
f**king hilarious!
Very funny Kiki. Onion is a must read.
The way things are going, if Obama or Edward do not win the domination, I am voting for Bloomberg, or not vote at all. Not because Hilary is a woman, just that I am disgusted by the way they are attacking Obama. First the fairy tale comment by Monica and now comment minimizing MLK role.
Check it out
Ops! I mean nomination.
I would have loved to vote for a woman. But race comes before gender in America.
here is a clip of your man Obama, praising Ronald Reagan. If this doesn’t have SCUM written all over it, then i don’t know what does.
Obama, the Reaganite
embrt,
Can you say something about the guy without any name calling? And yes you can admire Reagan without aligning with his republican beliefs. You can admire the way he brought total change towards his vision. Reagan started this pro big buisness movement that has undermined the working and middle class interest that you see today, is it something that Obama wants NO!!!! But Obama wants to be that agent of change that will make the working and middle class count again. I think that can only be achieved by bringing people together and which Obama is good at and which Regan was good at during his presidency.
Yea Mamitu! Obama gave Reagan credit for his ability to appeal to and bring people togeter. Obama did not endorse Reagan’s policy of Corporate greed similar to that we see now under Bush. Obama also compares himself to JFK and MLK. Sure, Obama has scum written all over his face. Is that all you have to hate the guy that intensely?
The simple fact that Obama even mentioned Rea..(burp) excuse me, Reag… (burp)..(excuse me agian, I just can’t seem to control my revulsion..had to throw up a little in the back of my mouth), Reagan in a time like this makes him a dud.
And can someone explain to me how Reagan brought people together? Am I missing something. HE LIED to the American people to get elected. That’s what he did!
[quote comment="118916"]The simple fact that Obama even mentioned Rea..(burp) excuse me, Reag… (burp)..(excuse me agian, I just can’t seem to control my revulsion..had to throw up a little in the back of my mouth), Reagan in a time like this makes him a dud.
And can someone explain to me how Reagan brought people together? Am I missing something. HE LIED to the American people to get elected. That’s what he did![/quote]
i thought for a long time that you knew what you were talking about…
the reason obama brought up Reagan is calculated, it appeals to independents… so it makes him more of a centrist which helps him with a bunch of folks while hurting him with extreme liberal democrats… so its a calculated move… but bill makes it seem like something he did not say… obama said Reagan brought change… nothing else..
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I wish Obama had not mentioned Reagan too. But he is trying to win some red states, that may be the only way for a Dem to win which Hilary I think will be unable to enlist. Just as there were whats called Reagan Democracts, I think its a savvy move (you call it lie) to try to coin Obama Republicans. That however is not a ticket to misrepresent what Obama said like that fairy tale comment.
Nolawi, you hurt my feelings with that statement, but I still love ya.
OK, let’s say there might be a strategy to his comment which is to bring “Obam Reublicans”, which there might be soem truth to it. But did you ever consider that he might be alienating more progressives than he will be gaining Republicans? Like some suggested, he might be trying to get ready for California where Hillary is way ahead in the polls, but I don’t think that is the way to go. Like I said, he will lose more Dem votes than he will gain Republican. Remember, Cali is a blue state already.
I agree with you that Bill and Hillary twisted his words and even added to it.
You MAY be right he will lose more Dems than gain GOPs. His advisers think otherwise. He won’t lose this Dem though. I am not even sure if CA primaries are open to non-party card carrying voters. Do you know? Regardless, I would think there are a many Terminator Dems.
Apparently in SC the Hillary supporters (whoelse?) are actively spreading the rumor that Obama is a muslim. One more reason not to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination…
Obama was being a politician using neutral language that made it appear he was aiming for the dithering ie undecided and the Independent vote which he was and whilst he appeared to have praised him even by comparing the times or him to Reagan I thought he was drawing a parallel to how things changed in American politics Reagan time and not in a good way if you are a Liberal and how it appeared that there was another wave of change underway only int he different direction. I know I am CONFUSED but that is what I think I heard.
You are dead clear Confused. And my apology for having to defend yourself from the entire Bersos bloggers and for me having compounded it. I do envy your energy and clarity despite….
Yes Anon, Cali is an open primary. And yes, there are a few Terminator Dems, but not enough to swing election. Onold is losing supporters from both sides faster than Bush is at this point, based on his current budget prposal. People are seeing for who is is, of course as always a few years too late. That star quality is fading quick.
Coming back to Obama though, I would not be surprised if Clinons’ people are spreading the Muslim rumor, although it was not started by them. Listen, they used people like Bob Johnson and her own staff member to re-surrect drug issue and even suggested that he may have dealt drugs in the past. Cold! Very cold!
Thank you Anon, sweet gesture, the rest I am cool I am not much into presumptions, if they are to be had ,then they are to be had is my feeling. Thanks again…
I spent Saturday afternoon at Obama party making phone calls to get the vote out for him in my state. I don’t like he evoked Reagan’s name to pander to the Reagan Democrats and the right. Reagan was a divisive figure and I wasn’t happy he mentioned his name while talking about bringing change for the better. Anyway, he is a politician and pandering is second nature. I will still volunteer for his campaign. As they say…. if you can’t have the one you want (Kucinich) want the one you are with.
Pandering is right what he was doing but for a politician isnt that what they call being tactical?, he want votes so he went tactical or pandered to those he may sway to vote him President, I thought that was the point. The worry would be if he kept pandering afer being elected. I am not CONFUSED about politics just cynical. Still, would have voted for him I think it is a bad choice to have to make between him and Hillary but I would still choose him for reasons I am clear about.
When I cast my vote here in Canada, I never vote for the issues. I vote for the person: the personality, the background, the sense of integrity the candidate displays etc….even sense of humor tips my vote…..and judging by yesterday’s debate Obama is by far the most inspiring personality of the three…confidence, sense of humor, attitude, inspriation….the guy is totally different from any politician this generation of Americans have seen…..
If you are American, black or white, for your own sake vote for Obama and you will be glad you did…..
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Just heard Obama took South Carolina and has the endorsement of the Kennedy’s is that significant in American politics? and will it neutralise Billary’s campaign smears and innuendos of Obama?
I think the Kennedy’s endorsement will help Obama. The one endorsment that matters the most, I think, will have to come from Al Gore–that is a big prize. Bill Clinton is doing a good job by himself in derailing the Hillary train. He is receiving more publicity, negative mostly, than Hilary and that can’t be good. Some of the report I have read indicate Bill did more harm in SC. Based on the media reporting, I can no longer tell who is running for the presidency, Hilary or Clinton.
I am also changing my mind that if Hilary does win the nomination, I will vote for her in the general election. If anything, to combat the obscenely misogynist anti-Hillary rhetoric. That I think is equally as a good of a struggle as racism. Without a question, she is also a capable leader, by far better than all the right wingers.
Thank you for the explanation Anon….and mysogyny about women in politics was to be expected what did Bill Clinton do?
C-Here’s a NY Times article about the backlash against Bill and how Bill will have to behave goingforward. What he has done is abdicate his elder stateman role and lowered himself to a visious attach dog for Hillary. Can’t be good for his wife when the media reports on Bill’s every word outweight that of Hillary.
And yea, its expected gender will be injected as much as race. It a race be
ignore all that, I will repond later. Rushed that one…sorry.
I suspect this might be his subconscious trying to make it up for Hilary….
Hi Anon,
Our media says more or less the same thing having described Mrs Clinton’s hardball campaign of undermining Obama and introducing race into the campaign as a bomb explosion in her hands..ha good Billary brought it upon themselves….About mysogyny, fair man Anon…but Hillary is as bad as any mysogynist towards her the way she is using race to awaken racial whatever in the US to her political advantage, and though mysogyny is as abhorrent as racism somehow it is more accepted by society, go figure…
Celebrities debut Obama music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY
Can someone please explain to me what is a super Tuesday?
What an uplifting and inspirational video. Watch it, you will be glad you did!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY
C — My best estimate: 22 states will hold there primaries on Tuesday two days after the quintessential American football season ending game called SUPER BOWL, which draws in all football junkies and non-junkies the size of the population of England for a duration of THREE hours. Super Tuesday will also engage as many people, if not more–dont fault me for the lack of statistics– and the political junkies,pundits and spin cons will invade my house in droves not unlike what just happened yesterday and is happening today after the GIANT upset. The difference between ‘me’ and ‘you’, I revere sport personalities, live by sport analogies while you revere aristocrats like Churchill and Bertrand–the difference is ‘two nations divided by a common langauge.’ So when is your Super Day (wedding) dear Confused?
Dear Anon…
Thank you for the explanation, so you get football big day and politics big day all in one Tuesday, no wonder it is super…lol…we are almost as excited as the voters in the US about change and the media even the Conservative media seems to be in camp Obama than Clinton should they decide to like one liberal over another if nominated but that is predictable. Anon who is Antoin “Tony” Rezko?, there have been dark mutterings from the Clintonians about him and Obama something to do when Hillary called him a slum landlord at one of their Tv confrontations and there was an article about it yesterday in one paper…
About sporting personalities we revere them them as much as anyone to the point of …fill in the gap…lol..it is just that ours are rubbish and that is not to malign them, they are rubbish it is a wasted exercise worshipping not very good sportsmen, still they are revered for other things, 21st century things, nothing to do with sport or being good at it….
This is funny Anon, only yesterday a survey came out stating that a big percentage of the 16-24 and younger don’t even know Winston Churchill existed and I think Mother Theresa too or margaret Thatcher but I am not sure which one it was…as for me at least I know he existed and from what I read he hated people like me and you both…he was openly racist, it is not known if he hated women so makes it difficult to revere someone who would hate me, plus he was such a long time ago now part of a world gone or only associated with WWII, it is interesting that history paint him as a bad PM and a drunk just before the war, it seemed the war saved his political reputation and transformed him even then it has been said he was drunk through it most of the time, so God knows if his tactics of winning the war were due to good leading or the bottle, not that it matters now he won it in the end didn’t he?…lol
Anon,there was a syntax error on the big day thing, it was supposed to have read …almost M once, rather than almost M in the present tense, the “almost” was supposed to be later this year all being well which it turned out not be have been in the end….
WOW so Paul Krugman left me speechless with his arguments against Obama! his argument for partisanship was fascinating to read about…anybody who was left less speechless?
link to Lancet who uses Krugman…
Obama stump speech
Exactly C! Any ‘special’ day that falls within arm’s reach of last Super Bowl Sunday have a legitimate right to the modifier. You can even marry sport and the bedroom if there happens long lasting fill in the blank. I get the feeling European think that Americans are stupid. We may be, but I now know they are just as stupid. Thanks.
From what I read Tony has a long history in Chicago. He is a Christian from Lebanon or Syria who came to the states for school in the mid/late 70s. I say Christian because ironically his early political/business activities were with what is known as Muslim Nation based in Chicago. Early on he did some promotional work for non-other than the greatest M. Ali and even headed Ali’s foundation that existed to spread the faith. Through his MN connection and support of black mayor he cashed favors and expanded his empire, alleged illegally. In addition to selling food, he entered real estate while expanding his political tentacles. Supposedly there is not a politician he did not influence in Chicago, dems or reps. The reason Rezko is in jail, however, is related to his alleged attempt to blackmail portfolio managers for a kickback in return for a lucrative business with the state of IL pension fund. State sponsored retirement/pension money is divided into different managers who invest the money for fee. The fee ranges from .01%-2% on money ranging from 10-50 million approximately. Tony wanted to be paid for ‘giving the business’. And he was giving because the treasurer of the pension fund a politically appointed republican kept his job under a democratic admin only because of Rezko.
That I think they have on Rezco. But the Obama connection, I haven’t seen anything that seems illegal. Yea Rezko did bite more than he could chew when he entered real estate. His partners abandoned him, he lacked financing and his low income tenants went without heat. Obama’s law firm was involved in helping Rezko restructure his investment and find financing. Rezko may have arranged Obama’s first home purchase. Although that transaction seems suspicious because Obama may have bought all or part of the purchase under market price, there is no evidence indicating he did buy at below market price.
Rezko is an immigrant with big dreams aiming for success at any cost.
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just thought to share this with you ….
Hi Anon
Tony Rezko has been up to all sorts hasnt he?…thanks for the background info now I understand the article better.
It sort of concentrated on information about the real estate business of mr Rezko and the links with Obama old Law firm, the article did mention that there was no suspicious activities over the sale of Obama’s flat, the gist of it was that though nothing untoward happened it was one of those situation where somehow even though all is found to be above board and there are facts to that effect nonetheless things appear murky or more to the point can they can be manipulated to make them appear murky saying that leaves him vulnerable to politically motivated attacks on his integrity and pointed out Hillary already tried it and the Republicans will too if he is nominated, facts nothwithstanding…
Correction: Nation of Islam instead of Muslim Nation. Or Farrakhan Nation if you will…
Hidaya, yea, it is said Rezko’s wife arranged the purchase of Obama’s Georgian home. At the same time she bought the lot next to his house and subsequently she sold 1/10 of the lot to Obama so he can expand his yard. In that there is no illegal deal unless one can prove that the purchase price of the whole or part was below market price–Rezko’s way of paying Obama back for the favor Obama claims he did not perform. Obama admits his decision to involve the Rezkos was ‘boneheaded’ or was he calling ‘boneheaded’ his decision to continue accepting campaign money from Rezko fully aware that Rezko was under investigation. There I think is poor judgment but I think the Clinton’s poor judgment or any republican for that matter far outweighs. There lies the reason I think why Hillary is unwilling to blow that incident out of proportion; she had practiced corporate law far longer than Obama and she has been under investigation although acquitted for activities far murkier than that of Obama’s not to mention campaign money from character’s more criminal than Rezko.
My guess is that people are tired of dishonest politicians. They want the truth. Obama is the only presidential candidate to admit to drug use. Compare that to W’s ‘when I was young, I was young and irresponsible’ or Clinton’s ‘I did not inhale’. Bullshit! Whoever tries to swiftboat Obama with the drug use, or the Rezko deal, they better be sure they are clean which I highly doubt. The media will dig up so much dirt between now and the general election, its gonna be truelly entertaining.
Dear Anon thanks again …
Few months ago we had similar scandals of who contributes to the coffers of politicians…oops everyone got caught recieving money from very dubious sources one man donated millions to the government’s party under about half a dozen names not his own and only he knows why and Ministers claimed they didnt know who he was nor have they registered it and there is an ongoing investigation and was in the past 18 months a criminal investigation involving party donations that went up to the PM, the previous one I mean…what I dont get though is , Obama is a trained lawyer right and a savvy politician what made him accept donation from someone under criminal investigations?…but a blip due to bad judment hopefully will be seen for what it is and not a defining feature of Obama or his leadership…
And yeah I agree Hillary should talk, for as long as I can remember the Republicans kept talking about some business in Arkansas about irregularities was it about real estate I dont remember and files dissapearing when prosecutors demanded it and the Clinton’s friends being sent to prison for being part of the same murky business, that woman is unbeleivable…Obama could start claiming about the * Clintonian conspiracy* to counter her accusations just like she used to do with “the right wing rethoric blah, blah…
Here there was about two years ago a queue of MP admitting to their misspent youth and all sorts after the tabloids dug out an old photo of the Opposition leader when he was 18 or early twenties at Uni and he was up to no good with his friends and then was asked on Tv if he inhaled which he refused to answer, instead something odd happened …everyone came out of their closet to admit to all things they did when they were young counting on the fact that if they are honest no one cares what a 39 year old man did when he was an 18 year old at Uni and not a politician, we only want to know what they did once they were in the world of work and politics and now, if they inhale now or snort the police would be wanting a word….thank God they stopped telling us things, most of us dont want to know if what they did is a minor misdemenour when they were 18….
Anon this is still C+ name at present lol….
Hidaya
You just described Harry Hsu (I think), the fugitive HRC’s fund raiser who contributed to her campaign under many different names. That guy is a character. He set up a ponzi scheme private fund supposedly to invest in China’s emerging companies. Millions from some savvy investors is no where to be found. Hsu became a fugitive on the run for about 10 years I think and resurfaced again taking active role in HRC campaign while still running or attempting to run a ponzi scheme again. Hsu is in jail now. HRC gave the money far more than that from Rezko to charity. Poor Hsu should have quite while ahead.
Your other point about Obama accepting money from one under investigation: I think its tough to break with your friends who have bank rolled you from day one. Although it seems Obama did not tangibly return any favor, Rezko reached out to Obama when he was elected to oversee Harvard Law Review. You know that bully who befriends you in the new neighborhood–your protector–thats the role Rezko played when he saw star written all over Obama. Their friendship/relation/contact whatever you want to call it is longer and stronger than the media in general has indicated. Obama says, like every politician, he did nothing wrong and he made sure meeting with Rezko were held in public places as soon as the investigation became public news. In my opinion Obama may not have climbed IL politics as fast as he did, even if he could, he would have to invent Rezko.Chicago is one dirty political city.
Hidaya is the new identity now. Less confused. I suspected so- heard your British English.
Super Tuesday wasn’t super after all. Nothing was determined: the reps may have a nominee in McCain, but the Dems is at half-time.
Hi Anon…
Mr Hsu is as shady as Mr Rezko eh…on the same article I heard Mr Rezko trial would start soon as the campaigning is goig on, do you think that would genrate negative publicity for the Obama campaign?….Mr Hsu has some front though,lol I am shocked he was stiil running his dodgy schemes and involving himself in HRC campaign at the same time…
I never knew much about the financing of political parties in the US until this year and someone replicated the Clinton line of *it is the economy stupid* to describe party donors and how their interests are reflected in the candidate they pick on and it was a long list of corporate this and that and special groups and money groups bankrolling them, do all thse groups want returns for their money…we are becoming a bit like that here as well, but on a smaller scale and the US system is catually better more transparency that this one, here it is more secretive who politicians take money from and sometimes they dont even declare it until caught by their own rules or a knock on the door by the police followed by public disgrace, some are still resigning now, one after he accepted more than hundred thousand in donations, God knows from whom for a leadership contest and never even declared it for more than a year…now he is gone,reflecting on his bad judment presumably…I think our system should be as open as the US’s….
Anon got me about the English..and I thought I was blending in…lol…
I dont see how. Other than on the media or from political hacks, in court, I dont think Obama’s name can come up. The only thing they have on Rezko that I know of is that kickback issue. The treasurer has pleaded guilty to save his ass and is turning Rezko in. Reportedly the links to other politicians are dirtier and more profitable to pursue.
I think you in Europe may have a better system in place, not that I know anything about it. But I think. If you had a chance to read how W came into office: accusation of election rigging, all the intrigues surrounding the war, unaccountable contractors, the Abramoff scandal–the lobbyst who contributed multi-generously so he could deliver for his clients who paid him millions. The lobbysts for corporate or special group play a big role. Their money determines the front runner from the no-runner like Kucinich who I really liked. Or even third party candidate like Ralph Nader who I voted in 2000 (kill me) can’t compete for lack of money. A better funding alternative I have heard would be to use public finance, but I dont know much about how that would work.
I think you in Europe may have a better system in place, not that I know anything about it. But I think. If you had a chance to read how W came into office: accusation of election rigging, all the intrigues surrounding the war, unaccountable contractors, the Abramoff scandal–the lobbyst who contributed multi-generously so he could deliver for his clients who paid him millions. The lobbysts for corporate or special group play a big role. Their money determines the front runner from the no-runner like Kucinich who I really liked. Or even third party candidate like Ralph Nader who I voted in 2000 (kill me) can’t compete for lack of money.
Here we have party system so donations go to a party but, even though they are supposed to declare anything above than five thousand pounds that they recieve in some Parliamentary register many dont, then even if they do it is not open to public scrutiny like I think the Americans do, here it will be known to party activists and the Parliamentary register and the chairman/woman but they dont tell us. The only time we find out is when our politicians are caught with strange bedfellows they should have avoided like the black death then one very strange thing ..the option of donors being anonymous, I think they are going to have to relax that rule or get rid of it now becasue it causes nothing but trouble, for all a bunch of green aliens are making their stake in politics by making donations with the intent to kill us all, with so much secrecy how does anyone know?…
We also hear of this alternative but only when someone gets caught in dubious undertakings involving party funding then, crisis over, it is back to what we know best…what we know best is set up yet another useless committees that will discuss the matter for months, take more months in publishing their report on things that the press told us all in advance months before. Rarely does anyone get punished or even sacked. Then await for the next lot of dogdy characters and more funding shenanigans . Anon I dont know much about it but I think the American system might be more transparent. You dont get fobbed off when clarity is needed, investigations are launched people are punished so you get answers we get nothing but being fobbed off…
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